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<blockquote data-quote="argo" data-source="post: 1676764" data-attributes="member: 5752"><p>To fruther illistruate the point: I recall being in the same, but totally opposite, situation not too long ago. It was an OA game and the party was a bunch of LG nobles of the empire, a real golden-boy squad. A couple of Lion Samurai, a Crane Ijatsu master, a Dragon monk, you get the idea. Anyway we have been hearing rumors of growing evil in the countryside when we encounter a Samurai who we know to have an honorable reputation and who has recently reutrned from said countryside rampaging through the capital. He is in complete rabid-dog mode; screaming, attacking anything, ridding his horse to exhaustion and the presence of taint is very strong. Obviously his brains have been scrambled by some major bad ju-ju. Anyway, rather than stop him with lethal force (which is what the DM expected, I think) we instead decide to try and subdue him hopping both to learn more about evil-things-in-the-woods and maybe help the poor sap. Long story short we wind up with the monk pinning him on the ground while one of the samurai tries to punch him out and the others watching. It takes us about five rounds of this pummling to put him down and by about the second round we are all looking at each other nervously, we took issues of honor and personal conduct very seriously in that game. But in the end we sort of whitewashed the whole encounter with the metagame understanding that the rules just didn't cover that situation very well. It also helped that several party members afterwards went on to risk mind and soul in a dremscape ritual to help cleanse the poor guys spirit and that ended with his assisted sepuku.</p><p></p><p>The point? Beating him senseless worked for our LG group because of how we rp'ed our reaction to it. It sounds as if Sellar's group is also rping prety well, what with the whole LE v CG thing going on and all. But there is nothing intrinsicly evil about a brutal beating if a simple killing would also be acceptable under the same scenario.</p><p></p><p>Just MHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="argo, post: 1676764, member: 5752"] To fruther illistruate the point: I recall being in the same, but totally opposite, situation not too long ago. It was an OA game and the party was a bunch of LG nobles of the empire, a real golden-boy squad. A couple of Lion Samurai, a Crane Ijatsu master, a Dragon monk, you get the idea. Anyway we have been hearing rumors of growing evil in the countryside when we encounter a Samurai who we know to have an honorable reputation and who has recently reutrned from said countryside rampaging through the capital. He is in complete rabid-dog mode; screaming, attacking anything, ridding his horse to exhaustion and the presence of taint is very strong. Obviously his brains have been scrambled by some major bad ju-ju. Anyway, rather than stop him with lethal force (which is what the DM expected, I think) we instead decide to try and subdue him hopping both to learn more about evil-things-in-the-woods and maybe help the poor sap. Long story short we wind up with the monk pinning him on the ground while one of the samurai tries to punch him out and the others watching. It takes us about five rounds of this pummling to put him down and by about the second round we are all looking at each other nervously, we took issues of honor and personal conduct very seriously in that game. But in the end we sort of whitewashed the whole encounter with the metagame understanding that the rules just didn't cover that situation very well. It also helped that several party members afterwards went on to risk mind and soul in a dremscape ritual to help cleanse the poor guys spirit and that ended with his assisted sepuku. The point? Beating him senseless worked for our LG group because of how we rp'ed our reaction to it. It sounds as if Sellar's group is also rping prety well, what with the whole LE v CG thing going on and all. But there is nothing intrinsicly evil about a brutal beating if a simple killing would also be acceptable under the same scenario. Just MHO. [/QUOTE]
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