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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 2216281" data-attributes="member: 2067">The Deva has an active interest in ripping apart the Material plane. She acts certain in the knowledge that once the material plane is ripped apart at the seams, it will be an eternally good place, filled with only lightness and joy. This world is flawed -- it has evil, it has corruption. To destroy it would bring in a world of goodness and light, without the evil that taints it now...So to allow the Deva to live will allow the Deva to advance the cause of destroying the material plane...it wants to.By ripping apart the Material Plane, it eradicates the neutral ground on which Evil can exist. By making it all Good, it allows Good as the only possibility -- there can be no more evil.Even the graybeards don't know the answers to much of this...but they say that if extraplanar creatures keep coming through, the mateiral plane may cease to be as early as the coming of Spring. It's on its last legs. By stopping the creatures not of this world, it will keep the world together for that much longer, allow those who defend this world to repair it, maybe find a way to forbid entrance of the outside. Every day, every week is a small victory or a small defeat for the material plane. It has endured so many small defeats that, quite literally, you could wake up tomorrow and it could be gone. No one who's not from the outside knows what would replace it -- they just know it wouldn't be the world as we know it. All those on the outside say that the end would benefit their side. A lot of the sages think the world will splinter and fracture, be devided up by the outsiders, and be subsumed by those planes. The outsiders here want to make sure their homes get as much territory as possible. Of course, they stress that this is only an educated guess -- it's just as likely that it will all be damned, or all be saved...But either way, it destroys my Good alignment? I can't be a paladin and defend my homeland? I can't be a good cleric and want to save my world?This is part of what I want to find out!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  The deities definately want the collapse to happen (for the same reason the other outsiders do), and they're as capable of making mistakes as the other outsiders are. The motives of the Fey and Dragons is partially because they are tied to the material plane, and will be destroyed along with it. They also don't know the situation any better than the humans do, and aren't about to trust the words of any one outsider over another, since they're all saying the same thing, and regardless of what happens the dragons and fey won't be able to help recover from the situation if it turns out that, say, the fiends were right and the celestials were wrong and everyone is damned (or vice-versa for the evil dragons and fey).The Deva is certain....and the fiends are just as certain....and the good gods are as certain...and the evil gods are as certain....they each think the other side is wrong, they all say the same things. The problem is that what they say is kind of mutually exclusive. This results in the vague morality. It's not that there ISN'T a real Good it's that the only people who are sure of this are saying things which cannot possibly be altogether true, even though to all appearances and magic, they all speak the truth.So, in the world that I have set up, you cannot be a Paladin, or a life-channeling cleric, and want to protect your home? You cannot be Good and want to defend the world? You have to want to destroy everything to be able to tap the power of Good? I'm not trying to break the alignment system, I'm trying to think through the outcomes of the world I've created. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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