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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lonely Tylenol" data-source="post: 2217510" data-attributes="member: 18549">The fiend trusts himself.  He's trying to bring about the exact same situation as the deva anyway, the two simply have different expectations about the outcome.  And anyway, this isn't just about good vs. evil.  Who do you trust, Good or Law?  Chaos or Evil?  The neutrals that want to stop the whole thing, or the aligned outsiders who all want it to go on, each for very different reasons?It seems to me that the response of the material plane should be "mind your own business."  Or perhaps, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  The material plane seems to be doing just fine at self-regulation.  For every evil overlord, there's a good paladin on a mission.  For every lawful despot, there's a chaotic freedom fighter.  That's the nature of the material plane.  It is the location where alignment becomes relevent.And if even the gods don't know what will happen if the universe breaks down (demonstrated by the way the evil gods are looking forward to it just as much as the good gods...even though both sides believe that they're right), then what all these outsiders are doing is gambling.  And they're gambling with the lives of everything that exists in the material plane.  A Good deity should not be allowing the cataclysm to occur if there is even a splinter of a chance that the world could be plunged into eternal Evil as a result.  Or even eternal Law or Chaos.  Or even eternal Good, considering all the innocent fey and dragons that will be wiped out by that event.  To plan for the extermination of these races is genocide, pure and simple, and no Good god should be supporting it.Really, the Deva should be trying to save the material plane, not destroy it.  It should be out hunting other outsiders, to get them off the plane so it can then itself leave, the prime being rendered metaphysically secure.</blockquote>

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