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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6277956" data-attributes="member: 6681948"><p>Perhaps. I wish I had time to read every gaming supplement I buy, and I'd love it if my memory was sharp enough to remember everything in the ones I do have. I look up the monsters pretty much every time. But unquestionably, the person with those references has likely looked at them to some extent. But then, when unusual issues from the core rules come up, I reference them too. Frex, when a player takes Improved Bull Rush, or some such, I refresh and enhance my knowledge of the rules for Bull Rush, as clearly it will be coming up in play.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To me, it's a much greater hassle having frequent errata on line. I can print out that couple of monsters in the AP, that feat from a splatbook, etc. Having a 30 page printout to go with each of the core rulebooks, since those rules may come up any time, is a much greater hassle.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For what it's worth, I would object to paying full price for a book which is 10%, or 25%, or whatever %, reprinted material I already have, or reprinted material I did not want to buy in the first place. </p><p></p><p>I also question why, if many/most people would prefer everything be reprinted in the adventure itself, no one seems to be publishing towards that market. Have all the publishers missed the boat, or is it possible the reprint model is not as desired as you believe? Maybe Paizo should offer to sell an AP Supplement which reprints the rules from non-core products which are not contained in the AP itself, and see how many sales they get. That would test the waters pretty nicely. Or maybe they should poll the audience first and see if sales are likely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's up to the buyer. Their descriptions are, I believe, posted with more than sufficient warning that I could have cancelled my subscription before WotR started if I decided I did not want an AP focused on Mythic Adventures. I bought a couple of older AP's, liked what I saw, picked up a couple of AP's as they came out because I liked the topics, then subscribed because I was pretty much liking everything upcoming as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm trying to get a handle on the comparison. You included the first Bestiary in your reference list but I would think that's a core book analogous to the D&D Monster Manual. I could add the Advanced GM Guide, but Pathfinder Core pretty much combines PHB and DMG. But my recollection is there's not a lot of rules in the AGG, so I'm not sure how something referenced would be essential. I haven't reviewed the module in detail to assess whether the dozen sources are essential, substantial, tangential or "for further info, if you want it, check out this book". </p><p></p><p>I also note that their policies make it clear any hardcover is fair game, which is a big chunk of that dozen references. You may still feel they should not be part of the references, of course. I'm curious how 4e handled this when books like PHB II hit the shelves. Were they off limits in other books? Or are they also doing the same thing?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like the idea of a Link page. I wonder if anyone's ever pitched that to Paizo. But then, my players can now check out all the monsters in the AP in one easy stop, so maybe that would be an issue for some groups.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6277956, member: 6681948"] Perhaps. I wish I had time to read every gaming supplement I buy, and I'd love it if my memory was sharp enough to remember everything in the ones I do have. I look up the monsters pretty much every time. But unquestionably, the person with those references has likely looked at them to some extent. But then, when unusual issues from the core rules come up, I reference them too. Frex, when a player takes Improved Bull Rush, or some such, I refresh and enhance my knowledge of the rules for Bull Rush, as clearly it will be coming up in play. To me, it's a much greater hassle having frequent errata on line. I can print out that couple of monsters in the AP, that feat from a splatbook, etc. Having a 30 page printout to go with each of the core rulebooks, since those rules may come up any time, is a much greater hassle. For what it's worth, I would object to paying full price for a book which is 10%, or 25%, or whatever %, reprinted material I already have, or reprinted material I did not want to buy in the first place. I also question why, if many/most people would prefer everything be reprinted in the adventure itself, no one seems to be publishing towards that market. Have all the publishers missed the boat, or is it possible the reprint model is not as desired as you believe? Maybe Paizo should offer to sell an AP Supplement which reprints the rules from non-core products which are not contained in the AP itself, and see how many sales they get. That would test the waters pretty nicely. Or maybe they should poll the audience first and see if sales are likely. That's up to the buyer. Their descriptions are, I believe, posted with more than sufficient warning that I could have cancelled my subscription before WotR started if I decided I did not want an AP focused on Mythic Adventures. I bought a couple of older AP's, liked what I saw, picked up a couple of AP's as they came out because I liked the topics, then subscribed because I was pretty much liking everything upcoming as well. I'm trying to get a handle on the comparison. You included the first Bestiary in your reference list but I would think that's a core book analogous to the D&D Monster Manual. I could add the Advanced GM Guide, but Pathfinder Core pretty much combines PHB and DMG. But my recollection is there's not a lot of rules in the AGG, so I'm not sure how something referenced would be essential. I haven't reviewed the module in detail to assess whether the dozen sources are essential, substantial, tangential or "for further info, if you want it, check out this book". I also note that their policies make it clear any hardcover is fair game, which is a big chunk of that dozen references. You may still feel they should not be part of the references, of course. I'm curious how 4e handled this when books like PHB II hit the shelves. Were they off limits in other books? Or are they also doing the same thing? I like the idea of a Link page. I wonder if anyone's ever pitched that to Paizo. But then, my players can now check out all the monsters in the AP in one easy stop, so maybe that would be an issue for some groups. [/QUOTE]
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