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<blockquote data-quote="Pentius" data-source="post: 5683466" data-attributes="member: 6676736"><p>Actually, the rules seem clear on this, at least for the SRD. As we can see, <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfIron.htm" target="_blank">Wall of Iron</a> is an instantaneous spell. <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dispelMagic.htm" target="_blank">Dispel magic</a> cannot dispel an instantaneous effect, since the magic creates the wall, then is done. "The effect of a spell with an instantaneous duration can’t be dispelled, because the magical effect is already over before the dispel magic can take effect." Hussar, I'd be interested in knowing what you found that refutes this.</p><p></p><p>But even if conjured iron could be dispelled, well, so what? Natural iron can simply be destroyed by other spells, so if a spellcaster wants to destroy your iron, the origin of the iron isn't really important. It's going to get destroyed.</p><p></p><p>Ah, see, there's the thing. I don't think it's important that a bunch of players, or even any players, use Wall of Iron for money. It's that the setting doesn't address the fact that the Wall of Iron spell enables an Iron Revolution just waiting to happen. If the Dm wanted to say that every time the players encountered or learned the Wall of Iron spell, it was the first time the world had seen it, that might work. But the books make no mention of the world changing ramifications of the existence of such a spell, resulting in situations like Hussar's example, where an offhand mention of a spell or effect suddenly brings up these questions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pentius, post: 5683466, member: 6676736"] Actually, the rules seem clear on this, at least for the SRD. As we can see, [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfIron.htm]Wall of Iron[/url] is an instantaneous spell. [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dispelMagic.htm]Dispel magic[/url] cannot dispel an instantaneous effect, since the magic creates the wall, then is done. "The effect of a spell with an instantaneous duration can’t be dispelled, because the magical effect is already over before the dispel magic can take effect." Hussar, I'd be interested in knowing what you found that refutes this. But even if conjured iron could be dispelled, well, so what? Natural iron can simply be destroyed by other spells, so if a spellcaster wants to destroy your iron, the origin of the iron isn't really important. It's going to get destroyed. Ah, see, there's the thing. I don't think it's important that a bunch of players, or even any players, use Wall of Iron for money. It's that the setting doesn't address the fact that the Wall of Iron spell enables an Iron Revolution just waiting to happen. If the Dm wanted to say that every time the players encountered or learned the Wall of Iron spell, it was the first time the world had seen it, that might work. But the books make no mention of the world changing ramifications of the existence of such a spell, resulting in situations like Hussar's example, where an offhand mention of a spell or effect suddenly brings up these questions. [/QUOTE]
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