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IS metacreative "shaper" fabricate powerfull?
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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 932781" data-attributes="member: 1165"><p>FABRICATE:</p><p>I can see this as possibley a very powerful power</p><p></p><p>1/ I see "fabricate" possibly offering an ability like that used by "magnus" in X-men but this depends on how the appearance of 1cubic yard/level is played. For example could a fabricated ladder be made to grow up from the ground lifting the char?</p><p></p><p>It's easier to just climb the ladder <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>2/ What about building a wall arround someone? a cage? </p><p>encase a person in a cocoon with stone etc etc..</p><p></p><p>There's still a long manifestation time - I'd give the person a Reflex save (as if avoiding Otiluke's Resilient Sphere).</p><p></p><p>3/ causing a 1cubic yard bolder per round to fabricate form the roof above someone. If metal a giant blade. </p><p></p><p>I don't know how much such a boulder would weigh, but it wouldn't do that much damage for your power points. Of course, it ignores power resistance.</p><p></p><p>FABRICATE + VERY HIGH CRAFT SCORES</p><p>This brings up lots of possibilities</p><p></p><p>4/ OK so I have a craft skill in weaponsmith >20 so I can make composit longbows +4 st easily. Can I make masterwork with fabricate? </p><p></p><p>Yup.</p><p></p><p>5/ Can I make only 1 item with the spell? If you can make more than 1 a singular psion could almost equip an army. </p><p></p><p>You can make more than one.</p><p></p><p>6/ giving your construct VII a giant masterwork weapon would be nasty</p><p></p><p>It isn't proficient.</p><p></p><p>7/ Is not a shapper going to be very rich? If a 14th level char can produce 140 cubic yards with greater fabricate they can actualy build a large ship. I think a high level shaper with a variety of crafts is a 1 man merchant quild.</p><p></p><p>Tee hee.</p><p></p><p>ASTRAL CONSTRUCT + VERY HIGH CRAFT SCORES</p><p></p><p>8/ this is cool</p><p></p><p>Yup.</p><p></p><p>9/ with persistant power I think a psion would have no need to hire any guards.</p><p></p><p><strong>Absolutely not!</strong> This isn't a legal combo. Astral constructs do not have a range or personal or a fixed range. There is no official way to do this, but spending XP seems appropriate (if you use the 8th-level power <em>stabilize construct</em> from If Thoughts Could Kill).</p><p></p><p>10/ Any IDEAS??</p><p></p><p>Yeah ... a wizard could do the exact same thing. I don't see this as a psion-only issue.</p><p></p><p>ECTO PUPPET</p><p>11/ this is a crazy power for 2nd level. Do you attack with the constructs scores?</p><p></p><p>Yes (and I don't even want to think about Trigger Power abuse), and the construct uses it's own attack bonus. (The control is not as "direct" as the flavor text indicates.)</p><p></p><p>12/ can you use the constructs psionic abilities?</p><p></p><p>The construct can use it's psionic abilities, if it has any.</p><p></p><p>PS please don't use <em>incarnate</em>. It's too easy to break on it's own.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 932781, member: 1165"] FABRICATE: I can see this as possibley a very powerful power 1/ I see "fabricate" possibly offering an ability like that used by "magnus" in X-men but this depends on how the appearance of 1cubic yard/level is played. For example could a fabricated ladder be made to grow up from the ground lifting the char? It's easier to just climb the ladder ;) 2/ What about building a wall arround someone? a cage? encase a person in a cocoon with stone etc etc.. There's still a long manifestation time - I'd give the person a Reflex save (as if avoiding Otiluke's Resilient Sphere). 3/ causing a 1cubic yard bolder per round to fabricate form the roof above someone. If metal a giant blade. I don't know how much such a boulder would weigh, but it wouldn't do that much damage for your power points. Of course, it ignores power resistance. FABRICATE + VERY HIGH CRAFT SCORES This brings up lots of possibilities 4/ OK so I have a craft skill in weaponsmith >20 so I can make composit longbows +4 st easily. Can I make masterwork with fabricate? Yup. 5/ Can I make only 1 item with the spell? If you can make more than 1 a singular psion could almost equip an army. You can make more than one. 6/ giving your construct VII a giant masterwork weapon would be nasty It isn't proficient. 7/ Is not a shapper going to be very rich? If a 14th level char can produce 140 cubic yards with greater fabricate they can actualy build a large ship. I think a high level shaper with a variety of crafts is a 1 man merchant quild. Tee hee. ASTRAL CONSTRUCT + VERY HIGH CRAFT SCORES 8/ this is cool Yup. 9/ with persistant power I think a psion would have no need to hire any guards. [b]Absolutely not![/b] This isn't a legal combo. Astral constructs do not have a range or personal or a fixed range. There is no official way to do this, but spending XP seems appropriate (if you use the 8th-level power [i]stabilize construct[/i] from If Thoughts Could Kill). 10/ Any IDEAS?? Yeah ... a wizard could do the exact same thing. I don't see this as a psion-only issue. ECTO PUPPET 11/ this is a crazy power for 2nd level. Do you attack with the constructs scores? Yes (and I don't even want to think about Trigger Power abuse), and the construct uses it's own attack bonus. (The control is not as "direct" as the flavor text indicates.) 12/ can you use the constructs psionic abilities? The construct can use it's psionic abilities, if it has any. PS please don't use [i]incarnate[/i]. It's too easy to break on it's own. [/QUOTE]
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