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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 1617993" data-attributes="member: 1077"><p>I have a couple questions regarding the Mirror Image spell. I don't think it makes sense (mechanically) as it is currently written.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now I've always played that the images are in the same 5' square as the caster, but according to this, they each get their own 5' square. There are a couple flaws with this. First off, this doesn't mesh well with the fact that you have to roll randomly to see if you hit the real caster. Imagine a single file line of Mirror Images, all in their own 5' space, standing shoulder to shoulder. Let's say the caster is on the far left of the line. Normally when you attack someone, you either attack them (if you know where they are) or pick a square to attack if you don't know where they are (such as with Invisibility). Now if I target the far left square, where the caster REALLY is, I have to roll the miss chance to see if I hit an image instead. If I hit an image, the caster suddenly gets to "jump" (for free, and not on their turn) to one of the other "images"!? This doesn't make too much sense to me. If they were all within the same 5' square, this would work since you are always targetting the same square, the caster doesn't have to "move", you just end up popping an image.</p><p></p><p>The other reason this doesn't work is if the caster is surrounded. Say the caster is completely surrounded, he defensively casts Mirror Image. Where do the images go? All squares around the caster are occupied. Do they act as if they are knocked prone? I don't think so. This should effectively nullify the spell, right? At least you should obviously know who the real caster is. It's not the one that is in the same 5' square as you...</p><p></p><p>So those are my main issues with the spell. I think both of these issues can be fixed by rewording it so that all images appear in the SAME 5' square as the caster.</p><p></p><p>My other question is the whole Magic Missle vs. Mirror Image arguement.</p><p></p><p>My original thought was, Magic Missle could pop Mirror Images, for that is the way I've always played it since back in 2E. But by reading the description on Magic Missile, it seems like you can't even target the Mirror Images with Magic Missile.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since a Mirror Image isn't a creature, you can't really target them, can you? But it also says it strikes unerringly, so if you did fire a Magic Missile at someone with Mirror Image, it would hit the real target, or would it? Or does it mean that if you somehow could target the Mirror Image, it would strike the image unerringly? Well now I am not so sure Magic Missile can counter Mirror Image... Another way to look at it is this... Can you cast Hold Person on an undead? The target for Hold Person is "One humanoid creature". Undead aren't humanoid, so what happens when Hold Person is cast on one? Well iirc, the spell still goes off, it just doesn't have an effect. So using this logic, Magic Missle would still go off, it just wouldn't have an effect on the Mirror Images (the effect being damage). But you don't need to do damage to a Mirror Image to "pop" it, you just need to hit it, right? So perhaps Magic Missle CAN target Mirror Images...</p><p></p><p>Any thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RigaMortus, post: 1617993, member: 1077"] I have a couple questions regarding the Mirror Image spell. I don't think it makes sense (mechanically) as it is currently written. Now I've always played that the images are in the same 5' square as the caster, but according to this, they each get their own 5' square. There are a couple flaws with this. First off, this doesn't mesh well with the fact that you have to roll randomly to see if you hit the real caster. Imagine a single file line of Mirror Images, all in their own 5' space, standing shoulder to shoulder. Let's say the caster is on the far left of the line. Normally when you attack someone, you either attack them (if you know where they are) or pick a square to attack if you don't know where they are (such as with Invisibility). Now if I target the far left square, where the caster REALLY is, I have to roll the miss chance to see if I hit an image instead. If I hit an image, the caster suddenly gets to "jump" (for free, and not on their turn) to one of the other "images"!? This doesn't make too much sense to me. If they were all within the same 5' square, this would work since you are always targetting the same square, the caster doesn't have to "move", you just end up popping an image. The other reason this doesn't work is if the caster is surrounded. Say the caster is completely surrounded, he defensively casts Mirror Image. Where do the images go? All squares around the caster are occupied. Do they act as if they are knocked prone? I don't think so. This should effectively nullify the spell, right? At least you should obviously know who the real caster is. It's not the one that is in the same 5' square as you... So those are my main issues with the spell. I think both of these issues can be fixed by rewording it so that all images appear in the SAME 5' square as the caster. My other question is the whole Magic Missle vs. Mirror Image arguement. My original thought was, Magic Missle could pop Mirror Images, for that is the way I've always played it since back in 2E. But by reading the description on Magic Missile, it seems like you can't even target the Mirror Images with Magic Missile. Since a Mirror Image isn't a creature, you can't really target them, can you? But it also says it strikes unerringly, so if you did fire a Magic Missile at someone with Mirror Image, it would hit the real target, or would it? Or does it mean that if you somehow could target the Mirror Image, it would strike the image unerringly? Well now I am not so sure Magic Missile can counter Mirror Image... Another way to look at it is this... Can you cast Hold Person on an undead? The target for Hold Person is "One humanoid creature". Undead aren't humanoid, so what happens when Hold Person is cast on one? Well iirc, the spell still goes off, it just doesn't have an effect. So using this logic, Magic Missle would still go off, it just wouldn't have an effect on the Mirror Images (the effect being damage). But you don't need to do damage to a Mirror Image to "pop" it, you just need to hit it, right? So perhaps Magic Missle CAN target Mirror Images... Any thoughts? [/QUOTE]
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