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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 7140624" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I don't see what I was talking about as any different than literally asking the group how challenging the want they game to be. If they choose to pick features that are going to make the game easier, then it's worthwhile to discuss that with them and see if that is, in fact their goal. Perhaps that is what they want, and they aren't really looking for a challenge. On the other hand, they really (like many of these sorts of thinks) haven't thought things through. If they say they want a certain level of challenge, but then make character building choices which take away that challenge, you need to discuss with them how they want to handle that. Do they want the DM to artificially inflate the challenges? What methods are acceptable to them? Is it okay if you tack on a bunch of feats to all the monsters? Just through more monsters at them, or higher level monsters? Mechanically ignore the guidelines and arbitrarily raise the DCs of everything by 2 with no system justification?The point I'm making is that if a player wants to do something that you, as the DM, know is going to have unusually significant consequences for the campaign, you better make sure that they, and the rest of the group, actually want those consequences.</blockquote>