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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 4043995" data-attributes="member: 2804">In my group we have an interesting situation. We have 9 people who play in 3 different games, and one SW Saga game. The D&D games are AoW, Savage Tide, and Pathfinder. Some people only play in one of the games. Some play in all 3 games.When 4e was first announced there were about 3 of us who immediately jumped on board. I'm one of them as anyone who reads my posts here know already. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> We had two fence sitters and one anti-4e person. As one of the DMs, I got one fence sitter off the fence by flat out saying that my game was converting over and so would he if he wanted to play. Perhaps a little ham-handed but I really have no interest to DM for 3.5 ever again, and he is one of my best friends so he knew I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Besides after reading the previews from WotC and playing in the SW Saga game, he too has been converted and joined the 4e bandwagon and now is really liking what he sees. The other fence sitter is converting because the rest of us including her boyfriend are converting.At this point the group as a whole has reached a general consensus that all of the current games will be wrapping up this summer and that come June, 4e will be the only game we play. However, in our AoW game (in which I'm only a player) we have another player who has consistently been anti-4e from the very beginning. He only plays in this one campaign. Let's call him "Bob".Now, everyone in our group are pretty close friends. We hang out a lot even when we are not gaming. Bob is no exception and we really enjoy hanging out with him and gaming with him. Bob also DMs another game with another group of friends. None of the rest of us play in this game and we do not know his other friends.Bob has been stridently anti-4e from the beginning and has said he will not switch and neither will his other players in his other game. At our sessions we have tried to ask him what his concerns are and he said his principal concern is money. Fair enough, we said. We'll lend you our books. Well, then he countered with he hates borrowing books and feeling like he is mooching off us. Fair enough, we'll chip in and BUY him a PHB as a birthday present. But then he countered by saying that his other players will never switch and he has to keep playing 3.5 in order to game with them. Well, thats no problem. Just run 3.5 with them and play 4e with us.But now he dropped his previous tack and his saying that he just doesn't want anything to do with 4e and if we switch then he will just no longer play with us. He no longer gives us reasons that we can counter.At this point our group is scratching our heads. We would really like him to play with us and have offered to remove cost as a barrier to entry when he gave that as his initial reason to not play. Some of us can't help but feel that he is now being completely irrational and childish about the whole thing.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> One of our members theorizes that Bob is avoiding 4e because he is afraid that he will actually like it and then will no longer be able to enjoy playing with his other friends. Another theory is that he is avoiding it because he is afraid his other group (which sounds very grognardian when he describes them to us) will view him as a 3.5 "traitor".Either way its a tough situation for us. Staying with 3.5 is not an option. All three DMs no longer have any desire to DM 3.5 any longer. Heck if it wasn't for the Adventure Paths none of our current games would even exist.What would you do?</blockquote>

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