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Is my friend's unwillingness to try 4e irrational?
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<blockquote data-quote="sjmiller" data-source="post: 4046711" data-attributes="member: 17262"><p>I know that for me, my reaction to each of these changes has been different.</p><p></p><p>I never really played 2e AD&D. I played a little bit when it first came out, but stopped within about a year. When our group went back to playing D&D we played 1st Ed AD&D and then stopped again after a couple of years. When 3e D&D came out I had not been playing D&D for about a decade, maybe more. I was very excited about this edition change, and bought the new core books as soon as they came out. I formed a new group, started playing, and have been playing since then.</p><p></p><p>When 3.5e D&D came around I was a bit miffed. I did not see a need for a new edition, and did not understand why some of the changes were made. I looked through stuff as it came out and cherry-picked things to add to my ongoing 3e game. I continue doing that, printing up a nice Curmudgeon's Compendium for my players.</p><p></p><p>With 4e D&D I am well beyond miffed. I <strong>really<strong> do not see the reason for a new edition. I do not like what I have seen so far. They have taken out things I like, added things I do not like, and everything so far seems to be taking the game in a direction I do not wish to go. This is the first new edition of D&D that I have absolutely no desire to buy. Could this change in the future? Maybe, but I doubt it. The game appears to be tailored to a different gaming philosophy than mine. That's cool. I don't like the World of Darkness games either, so I don't buy them.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>I was hoping that 4e D&D would be a few more years down the road, and would do things differently than what they say it is going to do. But, back to the original quote I used. My reactions to the different transitions were:</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>2e to 3e: Extremely excited</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>3e to 3.5e: Miffed, but willing to mine for material</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>3.5e to 4e: Annoyed, dissatisfied with the changes, not interested</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>This is very different than my views of the various editions of Traveller, for example. In that case my reactions were:</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Original to MegaTraveller - Excited and curious, bought it and had fun.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>MegaTraveller to Traveller: The New Era - Curious, looked through it, didn't like it, didn't buy it.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Traveller: The New Era to Marc Miller's Traveller (4e): Liked the changes, flaws and all, and bought what I could find. Didn't play it much, but enjoyed it.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Marc Miller's Traveller to Traveller 5: Anxiously awaiting my CD-ROM, which I pre-ordered. What little I saw as teasers has me really excited about playing Traveller again. Radical changes to the system are in store, but they look good.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>So, it's not that I am afraid of change. It is just that I do not like the changes that are being made. So for me, I can really see where Bob is coming from on this. He may like change and new games, he may not like these particular changes.</strong></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sjmiller, post: 4046711, member: 17262"] I know that for me, my reaction to each of these changes has been different. I never really played 2e AD&D. I played a little bit when it first came out, but stopped within about a year. When our group went back to playing D&D we played 1st Ed AD&D and then stopped again after a couple of years. When 3e D&D came out I had not been playing D&D for about a decade, maybe more. I was very excited about this edition change, and bought the new core books as soon as they came out. I formed a new group, started playing, and have been playing since then. When 3.5e D&D came around I was a bit miffed. I did not see a need for a new edition, and did not understand why some of the changes were made. I looked through stuff as it came out and cherry-picked things to add to my ongoing 3e game. I continue doing that, printing up a nice Curmudgeon's Compendium for my players. With 4e D&D I am well beyond miffed. I [b]really[b] do not see the reason for a new edition. I do not like what I have seen so far. They have taken out things I like, added things I do not like, and everything so far seems to be taking the game in a direction I do not wish to go. This is the first new edition of D&D that I have absolutely no desire to buy. Could this change in the future? Maybe, but I doubt it. The game appears to be tailored to a different gaming philosophy than mine. That's cool. I don't like the World of Darkness games either, so I don't buy them. I was hoping that 4e D&D would be a few more years down the road, and would do things differently than what they say it is going to do. But, back to the original quote I used. My reactions to the different transitions were: 2e to 3e: Extremely excited 3e to 3.5e: Miffed, but willing to mine for material 3.5e to 4e: Annoyed, dissatisfied with the changes, not interested This is very different than my views of the various editions of Traveller, for example. In that case my reactions were: Original to MegaTraveller - Excited and curious, bought it and had fun. MegaTraveller to Traveller: The New Era - Curious, looked through it, didn't like it, didn't buy it. Traveller: The New Era to Marc Miller's Traveller (4e): Liked the changes, flaws and all, and bought what I could find. Didn't play it much, but enjoyed it. Marc Miller's Traveller to Traveller 5: Anxiously awaiting my CD-ROM, which I pre-ordered. What little I saw as teasers has me really excited about playing Traveller again. Radical changes to the system are in store, but they look good. So, it's not that I am afraid of change. It is just that I do not like the changes that are being made. So for me, I can really see where Bob is coming from on this. He may like change and new games, he may not like these particular changes.[/b][/b] [/QUOTE]
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