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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DonTadow" data-source="post: 4046985" data-attributes="member: 22622">Thing is there are a ton of systems out here that are faster than 3.5 (though fun is a subjective term).  Any rule that they have in 4e can probably be converted into 3.5 (and will). This will give me the chance to make and move. WOTC's biggest mistake is not the mechanics, but the flavor of the game they are changing. Halflings are no longer half the size of a human, loner demon men and mystic dragon men are the norm and the classic imp (gnome) is no where to be seen. There's a warlord class and a warlock class. The flavor has be pretty much turned off right now, as much as i like some of the mechanics, the only concrete book we've seen, the flavor books, are the only real thing to make a decision on. Upon release, 4e won't have the flavor that traditionalists want in a d and d campaign, os it will take some time for other developers to create such material.</blockquote>