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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6666095" data-attributes="member: 7635">I spent nearly a month arguing with people who wanted psionics to be subclasses for fighters, sorcerers, bards, and monks. I'm just happy to have a dedicated psionic class. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Lets look at the psionic classes we've had so far. We can roughly bundle them in in pairs to two. Psychic Warrior/Battlemind/Divine Mind are the warrior-psionics. They use psionics to augment their combat potential. Right now, the Immortal Mystic does a decent job of mirroring that with the weapon proficiencies and buffing powers. The soulknife and and lurk held the &quot;sneaky, skirmisher&quot; area of psionics, and I'm sure the Order of the Knife will emulate that. The psion and erudite represent the logical, introspective side of psionics (which the awakened mystic seems to fill) and the wilder and ardent are the raw, emotional side which might be filled via the Invisible Hand or some other order. I mean, I could see all four orders be separate classes as well, but I think it might be too much to go that route. Aside from fluff, what differs a psion from a wilder from an ardent? Caster stat? Proficiencies? As far as I remember, psions got psicrystals, wilders knew less power but could overchannel, and ardents got mantles rather than disciples and were the best psionic healers. Not alot there, especially with how they are doing powers in 5e. There are 17 examples of mystics on RotGrub's list. How many survived more than a single edition? How many were even memorable without Googling lists of PrCs, Paragon paths, and Kits? Dragonlance has no more clout in claiming the Mystic name exclusively than Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft/Masque of the Red Death, or Mystara/Basic D&amp;D does.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6666095, member: 7635"] I spent nearly a month arguing with people who wanted psionics to be subclasses for fighters, sorcerers, bards, and monks. I'm just happy to have a dedicated psionic class. :) Lets look at the psionic classes we've had so far. We can roughly bundle them in in pairs to two. Psychic Warrior/Battlemind/Divine Mind are the warrior-psionics. They use psionics to augment their combat potential. Right now, the Immortal Mystic does a decent job of mirroring that with the weapon proficiencies and buffing powers. The soulknife and and lurk held the "sneaky, skirmisher" area of psionics, and I'm sure the Order of the Knife will emulate that. The psion and erudite represent the logical, introspective side of psionics (which the awakened mystic seems to fill) and the wilder and ardent are the raw, emotional side which might be filled via the Invisible Hand or some other order. I mean, I could see all four orders be separate classes as well, but I think it might be too much to go that route. Aside from fluff, what differs a psion from a wilder from an ardent? Caster stat? Proficiencies? As far as I remember, psions got psicrystals, wilders knew less power but could overchannel, and ardents got mantles rather than disciples and were the best psionic healers. Not alot there, especially with how they are doing powers in 5e. There are 17 examples of mystics on RotGrub's list. How many survived more than a single edition? How many were even memorable without Googling lists of PrCs, Paragon paths, and Kits? Dragonlance has no more clout in claiming the Mystic name exclusively than Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft/Masque of the Red Death, or Mystara/Basic D&D does. [/QUOTE]

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