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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2692443" data-attributes="member: 307">Three caster levels is a pretty big hit. It lowers your durations, it lowers your ability to defeat SR, it lowers the damage of spells, their area, their ranges, and so on. Effectively (because you are casting lower level spells) it lowers the save DCs of your spells. Half the time you are two spell levels behind, the other half, "only" one. Look at the list of 3rd level wizard and cleric spells. Now look at the list of 5th level wizard and cleric spells. Is it worth giving up 1-2 5th level cleric spells, and 2-3 4th level cleric spells for an additional 1-2 3rd level wizard spells, and additional 3-4 2nd level wizard spells, and 4+ 1st level wizard spells?On the cleric side, you also lose d8 Hit Dice, good Fortitude saves, the ability to freely cast spells in armor (since your arcane spells suffer arcane failure chances), the ability to effectviely turn undead. You probably also suffer a severe impariment in the use of your domain powers, since many of those are affected by your cleric class levels. From the wizard side, you give up bonus feats and familiar advancement.The stylistic aspect can be solved by creating a background for the class in the campaign. While the raw material in the DMG is very vanilla, you can work with it to put something interesting in your campaign. For example, in my campaign, all Mystic Theurges are drawn from a specific sect of priests devoted to the archangel Jophiel, who is the archangel of knowledge, and magical mysteries. They are his enforcement arm, his crusaders who fight for causes dear to his sect's ideals. It shouldn't be that hard to come up with alternative ideas for any number of campaign set-ups. In FR, they seem perfect for the various "magic related" deities; using classic mythos, they could be devotees of Hecate (for Olympian deities), or Odin (for norse deities) and so on.</blockquote>

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