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Is Mystic Theurge a balanced P. class?
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<blockquote data-quote="beepeearr" data-source="post: 2693690" data-attributes="member: 20548"><p>Personally, I don't like the mystic theurge as presented in the DMG. As a DM I've found it to be quite powerful, even when created with a suboptimal build (ala a Bard/Cleric), and that most players like it because they feel the Multi-class spellcasters are not powerful enough. I've never liked the argument that multiclassed spellcasters are not as powerful as other single classed spellcasters, therefore they need their own prestige class. A Multiclassed spellcaster, just like all multiclass characters, give up power for flexibility. Prestige classes like the Mystic theurge give the character both with very little sacrifice. </p><p></p><p>Look at the difference in the number of spells per day for a Wizard/Cleric and a Wizard/Cleric/Mystic Theurge. The difference is huge, much higher than then the difference between a Wizard or Cleric and a Wizard/Cleric/Mystic theurge. All that being said though, I do allow a Modified Mystic Theurge prestige class in my campaigns, instead of getting 10 levels of spellcasting for two existing spell casting classes (for a total of Twenty), it instead gets 7 or 8 levels of spellcasting for two existing spell casting classes (depending on the particular Mystic Theurge like prestige class). It still offers the player more power than a Typical multi-classed spell caster, but much less than a single classed character, and typically falls somewhere between the two. </p><p></p><p>However, I also do caster level by magic type, instead of by class type, meaning that a Druid/Cleric would add his spellcaster levels for both cleric and druid to determine his overall divine caster level, the practiced spell-caster feat also works differently, It now allows the Spell caster to choose two different magic types and add his actual spellcaster levels in those two magic types to determine a new spell caster level for spells of both magic types. By doing the above I fix one of the bigger problems of multiclassed spellcasters, which is a decreased spellcaster level, and at the same time I decrease the need for prestige classes like the Mystic Theurge. </p><p></p><p>Just My opinion, I've never used a Mystic Theurge either as a PC or as an NPC, but I've had quite a few players play one or a similiar prestige class, both my version and the version in the DMG (which is why I have my version in the first place). They quickly go from being a utility type of character (when they are multiclassing to get the prestige class) to being easily the most powerful character in the group (even when built with a bard) after only a few levels of Mystic Theurge. Think of it as allowing one player in your group to take 10 levels of a Gestalt character, because that almost exactly what it does.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="beepeearr, post: 2693690, member: 20548"] Personally, I don't like the mystic theurge as presented in the DMG. As a DM I've found it to be quite powerful, even when created with a suboptimal build (ala a Bard/Cleric), and that most players like it because they feel the Multi-class spellcasters are not powerful enough. I've never liked the argument that multiclassed spellcasters are not as powerful as other single classed spellcasters, therefore they need their own prestige class. A Multiclassed spellcaster, just like all multiclass characters, give up power for flexibility. Prestige classes like the Mystic theurge give the character both with very little sacrifice. Look at the difference in the number of spells per day for a Wizard/Cleric and a Wizard/Cleric/Mystic Theurge. The difference is huge, much higher than then the difference between a Wizard or Cleric and a Wizard/Cleric/Mystic theurge. All that being said though, I do allow a Modified Mystic Theurge prestige class in my campaigns, instead of getting 10 levels of spellcasting for two existing spell casting classes (for a total of Twenty), it instead gets 7 or 8 levels of spellcasting for two existing spell casting classes (depending on the particular Mystic Theurge like prestige class). It still offers the player more power than a Typical multi-classed spell caster, but much less than a single classed character, and typically falls somewhere between the two. However, I also do caster level by magic type, instead of by class type, meaning that a Druid/Cleric would add his spellcaster levels for both cleric and druid to determine his overall divine caster level, the practiced spell-caster feat also works differently, It now allows the Spell caster to choose two different magic types and add his actual spellcaster levels in those two magic types to determine a new spell caster level for spells of both magic types. By doing the above I fix one of the bigger problems of multiclassed spellcasters, which is a decreased spellcaster level, and at the same time I decrease the need for prestige classes like the Mystic Theurge. Just My opinion, I've never used a Mystic Theurge either as a PC or as an NPC, but I've had quite a few players play one or a similiar prestige class, both my version and the version in the DMG (which is why I have my version in the first place). They quickly go from being a utility type of character (when they are multiclassing to get the prestige class) to being easily the most powerful character in the group (even when built with a bard) after only a few levels of Mystic Theurge. Think of it as allowing one player in your group to take 10 levels of a Gestalt character, because that almost exactly what it does. [/QUOTE]
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