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Message: <blockquote data-quote="beepeearr" data-source="post: 2696510" data-attributes="member: 20548">At 16th level a Mystic Theurge can cast the same amount of 7th level spells, and only misses out on 2 8th level spells (which are powerful, I agree) and is only 3 caster levels lower than a 16 level Wizard, but gains access to spells from both the cleric and Wizard spell lists, something a 16th level Wizard cannot normally claim, and that's not flexible.  I'm not saying the Mystic theurge is without merit, I'm just saying at +1/+1 cast as previous spellcasting class per level it is too powerful, and that I would prefer a cast as previous spellcasting class progression that only granted a total of +8/+8 over ten levels instead of +10/+10, so that it falls in between the abilities of a single classed wizard or cleric and the Multiclass wizard/cleric, instead of just behind the single classed wizard and so far ahead of the multi-classed wizard/cleric that not taking it makes absolutely no sense, which is where it is now.  I even allow all Mystic theurge levels to count towards the spellcaster level of both classes, just not the spells per day.</blockquote>