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<blockquote data-quote="Veril" data-source="post: 2700014" data-attributes="member: 33452">To evaluate the MT total spell power, I take a slightly different view.&nbsp; Using the basic cleric, wizard and a W7/C3/MT10 you get the following totals - this ignores any extra spells for high wisdom and intelligence.Take the number of spell at each level and multiple by the spell level - this gives you a &quot;spell level total&quot;.&nbsp; I do this because higher levelled spells are generally better than low levelled spells, so this applies spell level weighting to the overall numbers involved.&nbsp; [CODE]Level&nbsp; &nbsp; Cleric&nbsp; &nbsp; Wizard&nbsp; &nbsp; Mystic Thurge1&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 23&nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 44&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; 65&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 76&nbsp; &nbsp; 21&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 117&nbsp; &nbsp; 30&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; 178&nbsp; &nbsp; 37&nbsp; &nbsp; 27&nbsp; &nbsp; 269&nbsp; &nbsp; 49&nbsp; &nbsp; 34&nbsp; &nbsp; 3610&nbsp; &nbsp; 58&nbsp; &nbsp; 43&nbsp; &nbsp; 5011&nbsp; &nbsp; 74&nbsp; &nbsp; 52&nbsp; &nbsp; 6412&nbsp; &nbsp; 85&nbsp; &nbsp; 63&nbsp; &nbsp; 8313&nbsp; &nbsp; 105&nbsp; &nbsp; 74&nbsp; &nbsp; 10114&nbsp; &nbsp; 118&nbsp; &nbsp; 87&nbsp; &nbsp; 12615&nbsp; &nbsp; 142&nbsp; &nbsp; 100&nbsp; &nbsp; 14816&nbsp; &nbsp; 157&nbsp; &nbsp; 115&nbsp; &nbsp; 17917&nbsp; &nbsp; 185&nbsp; &nbsp; 130&nbsp; &nbsp; 19218&nbsp; &nbsp; 202&nbsp; &nbsp; 147&nbsp; &nbsp; 20519&nbsp; &nbsp; 214&nbsp; &nbsp; 163&nbsp; &nbsp; 22020&nbsp; &nbsp; 223&nbsp; &nbsp; 180&nbsp; &nbsp; 235[/CODE]At 9th level and up a MT starts to surpass a wizard in total number of spell levels availableAt 14th the MT starts to surpass a cleric, however, except for 16th level, they are very similar (within 5%) - 16th is clearly the sweet spot for a MT.&nbsp; n.b. A wizard always has less total spell levels than an equivalent levelled cleric, so much for being a pure spell caster eh!If you take the &quot;spell level total&quot; at each level and multiply it by the caster level to get total &quot;spell power&quot; (because higher levelled spell casters spells are generally more powerful) you get the following table[CODE]Level&nbsp; &nbsp; Cleric&nbsp; &nbsp; Wizard&nbsp; &nbsp; Mystic Thurge1&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 43&nbsp; &nbsp; 21&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 124&nbsp; &nbsp; 40&nbsp; &nbsp; 28&nbsp; &nbsp; 145&nbsp; &nbsp; 80&nbsp; &nbsp; 50&nbsp; &nbsp; 186&nbsp; &nbsp; 126&nbsp; &nbsp; 90&nbsp; &nbsp; 337&nbsp; &nbsp; 210&nbsp; &nbsp; 140&nbsp; &nbsp; 688&nbsp; &nbsp; 296&nbsp; &nbsp; 216&nbsp; &nbsp; 1309&nbsp; &nbsp; 441&nbsp; &nbsp; 306&nbsp; &nbsp; 21610&nbsp; &nbsp; 580&nbsp; &nbsp; 430&nbsp; &nbsp; 35011&nbsp; &nbsp; 814&nbsp; &nbsp; 572&nbsp; &nbsp; 51212&nbsp; &nbsp; 1020&nbsp; &nbsp; 756&nbsp; &nbsp; 74713&nbsp; &nbsp; 1365&nbsp; &nbsp; 962&nbsp; &nbsp; 101014&nbsp; &nbsp; 1652&nbsp; &nbsp; 1218&nbsp; &nbsp; 138615&nbsp; &nbsp; 2130&nbsp; &nbsp; 1500&nbsp; &nbsp; 177616&nbsp; &nbsp; 2512&nbsp; &nbsp; 1840&nbsp; &nbsp; 232717&nbsp; &nbsp; 3145&nbsp; &nbsp; 2210&nbsp; &nbsp; 258318&nbsp; &nbsp; 3636&nbsp; &nbsp; 2646&nbsp; &nbsp; 286519&nbsp; &nbsp; 4066&nbsp; &nbsp; 3097&nbsp; &nbsp; 320520&nbsp; &nbsp; 4460&nbsp; &nbsp; 3600&nbsp; &nbsp; 3575[/CODE](for the MT I did the calculation of spell level for each class differently then added them together)The MT only pulls ahead of a wizard at 12th level.&nbsp; A cleric alway has more spell power than a MT.&nbsp; Personally I think MT's are significantly less powerful than clerics or wizards, that 3 level differece translates to a loss of a significant ammount of top level spells</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Veril, post: 2700014, member: 33452"] To evaluate the MT total spell power, I take a slightly different view. Using the basic cleric, wizard and a W7/C3/MT10 you get the following totals - this ignores any extra spells for high wisdom and intelligence. Take the number of spell at each level and multiple by the spell level - this gives you a "spell level total". I do this because higher levelled spells are generally better than low levelled spells, so this applies spell level weighting to the overall numbers involved. [CODE] Level Cleric Wizard Mystic Thurge 1 2 1 1 2 3 2 2 3 7 4 4 4 10 7 6 5 16 10 7 6 21 15 11 7 30 20 17 8 37 27 26 9 49 34 36 10 58 43 50 11 74 52 64 12 85 63 83 13 105 74 101 14 118 87 126 15 142 100 148 16 157 115 179 17 185 130 192 18 202 147 205 19 214 163 220 20 223 180 235 [/CODE] At 9th level and up a MT starts to surpass a wizard in total number of spell levels available At 14th the MT starts to surpass a cleric, however, except for 16th level, they are very similar (within 5%) - 16th is clearly the sweet spot for a MT. n.b. A wizard always has less total spell levels than an equivalent levelled cleric, so much for being a pure spell caster eh! If you take the "spell level total" at each level and multiply it by the caster level to get total "spell power" (because higher levelled spell casters spells are generally more powerful) you get the following table [CODE] Level Cleric Wizard Mystic Thurge 1 2 1 1 2 6 4 4 3 21 12 12 4 40 28 14 5 80 50 18 6 126 90 33 7 210 140 68 8 296 216 130 9 441 306 216 10 580 430 350 11 814 572 512 12 1020 756 747 13 1365 962 1010 14 1652 1218 1386 15 2130 1500 1776 16 2512 1840 2327 17 3145 2210 2583 18 3636 2646 2865 19 4066 3097 3205 20 4460 3600 3575 [/CODE] (for the MT I did the calculation of spell level for each class differently then added them together) The MT only pulls ahead of a wizard at 12th level. A cleric alway has more spell power than a MT. Personally I think MT's are significantly less powerful than clerics or wizards, that 3 level differece translates to a loss of a significant ammount of top level spells [/QUOTE]

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