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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2700309" data-attributes="member: 5777">I'd have to say that veril did a good job.While it is important to take into account ability scores that would be a seperate additional factor, but it is good to have the basis down.Also, comparing nonspecialist to nonspecialist makes sense. Comparing a specialist to a generalist makes the numbers meaningless. Although for an overal study that assumes you will make up for the specialty through the theurge levels it could show some interesting trends, it would involve a much more involved proof.Finally, using 1 to 9 instead of 1 to 17 is more of a taste issue. Either give basically the same result multiplied by a scalar (2x-1 where x is the spell level is the equation to convert the first to the second) and since it is the same scalar the ratios will stay mostly the same.The theurge is a tricky beast. One gives up a lot of little things and some big things for a bunch of other little things. Its relative power level varies incredibly depending on which level you evaluate it at, what feats are options, what class you are comparing to and a number of other things. Although generally even with all of that he comes in under par in most comparisons.. I think that is a good sign of a weak class, but that is where synergies step in to help out. Does the theurge have a huge amount of hidden synergy in spells? Somehow that seems doubtful, except that you could try to pick and choose the most overpowered spells out there in hopes of making up for other loses.. which is a valid strategy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2700309, member: 5777"] I'd have to say that veril did a good job. While it is important to take into account ability scores that would be a seperate additional factor, but it is good to have the basis down. Also, comparing nonspecialist to nonspecialist makes sense. Comparing a specialist to a generalist makes the numbers meaningless. Although for an overal study that assumes you will make up for the specialty through the theurge levels it could show some interesting trends, it would involve a much more involved proof. Finally, using 1 to 9 instead of 1 to 17 is more of a taste issue. Either give basically the same result multiplied by a scalar (2x-1 where x is the spell level is the equation to convert the first to the second) and since it is the same scalar the ratios will stay mostly the same. The theurge is a tricky beast. One gives up a lot of little things and some big things for a bunch of other little things. Its relative power level varies incredibly depending on which level you evaluate it at, what feats are options, what class you are comparing to and a number of other things. Although generally even with all of that he comes in under par in most comparisons.. I think that is a good sign of a weak class, but that is where synergies step in to help out. Does the theurge have a huge amount of hidden synergy in spells? Somehow that seems doubtful, except that you could try to pick and choose the most overpowered spells out there in hopes of making up for other loses.. which is a valid strategy. [/QUOTE]

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