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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2700738" data-attributes="member: 2011">I will quote you directly:"You are wrong, and the root of your mistake lies in the fact that ..."1) A 3rd level spell is often nearly the equal of a 5th level spell and sometimes even better.For example: 10D6 Fireball versus 10D6 Cone of Cold at 10th level.Cone of Cold advantages:a) slightly larger areab) save DC is 2 higherc) increases in damage as you go up levels (but, this is not an advantage at 10th level)Fireball advantages:a) longer range castingb) casting past your alliesc) uses up a lower level slotd) is the metamagic choice: i.e. can be metamagicked earlier, can have more metamagic added, can have more powerful metamagic addedEffectively, at 10th level, Fireball is most often the choice of spell. The spell level system states that Fireball is worth 3 and Cone of Cold is worth 5 or Cone of Cold is 1.67 times as powerful. The spell point system states 5 versus 9 or 1.8 times as powerful.The spell point system is more inaccurate at this level (and at level 11, 12, etc.).In fact, you have yet to illustrate that a 1.8 ratio is better here than a 1.67 one. You haven't yet documented anything that shows that.2) A comparison of the multi-round worths:Two round total spell level versus spell point:Cone of Cold 5 vs. 9Cone of Cold 10 vs. 18Three round total spell level versus spell point:Fireball 3 vs. 5Fireball 6 vs. 10Fireball 9 vs. 15In both systems, it costs more for the two round Cone of Cold than the three round Fireball. Hence, your "argument" that "it should clearly cost more to do the same damage in a shorter amount of time" applies to BOTH systems. You cannot argue that this works for spell point, hence, spell point is better if this also works for the spell level system.3) A poor assumption here is that 105 points of damage in 2 rounds is always worth more than 70 points of damage in 2 rounds. This is often the case. However, there is often the concept of "blow through" in the game. If your opponent has 60 hit points remaining, 70 points of damage in 2 rounds will kill him just as readily as 105 points of damage in 2 rounds.Sure, 105 will often be worth more, but not always. Sometimes, a 3rd level spell can do the job of a 5th level spell. Or put another way, lower level spells often have the same value (or higher value) as higher level spells depending on situation. The spell point system states that the 9 point Cold of Cone is worth 3 times as much as the 3 point Scorching Ray.But, this is not always true.Yes, my second example is incorrect. I realized it immediately after I posted it, but I had to go at that time and just got back.So yes, with Empower Fireball versus Cone of Cold, both systems are effectively equivalent except for DC at level 15.</blockquote>

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