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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2702436" data-attributes="member: 2011">That is not his only inherent advantage.The Sorcerer also has the advantage of casting spontaneously. That's HUGE.The Sorcerer also has the advantage of casting metamagic spontaneously. That's REALLY HUGE, even though some people totally forget that this is the one really major thing that Sorcerers and Bard can do that no other core class can do (except Clerics with Spontaneous Cures and Druids with Spontaneous Summons, a very limited set of spells).Many people consider Bards and Sorcerers less effective in spell casting when they are two of the most effective spell casters around.It cracks me up that people think that Bards are weak. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> In fact, we will (most likely depending on PC actions) be having a 4 NPC vs. 5 PC battle where most of the NPCs are one level lower than the PCs tomorrow. One of the NPCs is a bard. Even being outnumbered 5 to 4 and being a level lower and having a Bard on the team, I expect the NPCs to seriously challenge the PCs.The Cleric has an advantage of many different known spells to select from. That's HUGE.The equation takes into account only number of spells castable per day for all caster types.It does not take into account other advantages and disadvantages.I consider most of spell advantages of a Cleric versus spell advantages of a Sorcerer to be a wash. The Cleric has pros and cons with his spells. The Sorcerer has pros and cons with his spells. They just happen to be different.It's the number of higher level spells which is most important (for the most part).Btw, Cleric Domain spells are selected from a very small select group of spells, even smaller than the spell selection of a Sorcerer. But, the equation ignores that. Cleric Domain spells are still listed in the equation as spells the Cleric can cast, even though the Cleric is really restricted on what he can cast with them.</blockquote>

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