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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5204618" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>Yes--yes it does. Reread OoE. It's not a reroll -- and if you reroll the attack, you get to reroll both dice.</p><p></p><p>Re Painful Oath...I think it's fine. It's a fairly limited striker feature (no repeat customers)--a feat tax of a type that nearly every class gets in paragon in some form.</p><p></p><p>Re the nature of avengers vs other strikers...they're a little more durable than rogues, but not by much (equivalent AC, can bump it higher with feats). They're more durable than rangers -- but rangers Do More Damage.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, rogues have a huge advantage relative to avengers -- they can get their striker feature and a full set of powers at range. Moreover, they're about as accurate as Avengers are (no, they don't roll twice -- but they have weapon attacks against reflex, +1 to hit, -and- are usually attacking with combat advantage; if the "average" avenger has a 75% chance to hit hitting on an 11, the "average" melee rogue is hitting on a 5 (+2 for CA, +1 for dagger, +3 for attacking reflex) and getitng the same 75% chance to hit with more damage. And that's without most attacks doing damage -and- inflicting conditions, the much easier access to Stealth, etc.</p><p></p><p>Now, Barbarians you might have a case--except that Whirling Barbarians are just as durable as Avengers -- and I think most other Barbs are a bit underpowered (but at least with the right equipment can become giant balls of spiky death).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5204618, member: 59248"] Yes--yes it does. Reread OoE. It's not a reroll -- and if you reroll the attack, you get to reroll both dice. Re Painful Oath...I think it's fine. It's a fairly limited striker feature (no repeat customers)--a feat tax of a type that nearly every class gets in paragon in some form. Re the nature of avengers vs other strikers...they're a little more durable than rogues, but not by much (equivalent AC, can bump it higher with feats). They're more durable than rangers -- but rangers Do More Damage. Moreover, rogues have a huge advantage relative to avengers -- they can get their striker feature and a full set of powers at range. Moreover, they're about as accurate as Avengers are (no, they don't roll twice -- but they have weapon attacks against reflex, +1 to hit, -and- are usually attacking with combat advantage; if the "average" avenger has a 75% chance to hit hitting on an 11, the "average" melee rogue is hitting on a 5 (+2 for CA, +1 for dagger, +3 for attacking reflex) and getitng the same 75% chance to hit with more damage. And that's without most attacks doing damage -and- inflicting conditions, the much easier access to Stealth, etc. Now, Barbarians you might have a case--except that Whirling Barbarians are just as durable as Avengers -- and I think most other Barbs are a bit underpowered (but at least with the right equipment can become giant balls of spiky death). [/QUOTE]
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