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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Budalic" data-source="post: 5207750" data-attributes="member: 70192">Well, I'll try to respond to a lot of things here, so:<a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/22105109/DPR_King_Candidates_2.0" target="_blank">Whoops! Browser Settings Incompatible</a>Look under Baseline DPR guide section. Note that second set of numbers is for optimised builds.Also note that higly cheesy Twin Striking Dilettante Crit-fishing Avenger is right behind Arcane Slashers in terms of DPR at level 30. But only at high-epic.As for Radiant Mafia, I saw that term couple of times at CharOp boards. Search there, it should be a group build.Bosnia and Herzegovina.No, since normal Prime Shot doesn't work with melee powers.Avenger looses OoE when he/she gains damage boost, tough. And Barbarian has similar HP, yet a lot better DPR. The same goes for isolationist ranger.Avenger also can't deal with horde, and some strikers have both better DPR and control than avenger, like rogue.Yes, but is that situation worth the DPR loss? IMO, not. I'm not trying to point out that avengers are bad class, only that most other strikers are (or were, before painful oath) better. The designers obviously feared that the roll twice mechanic would be too powerful, so they severely limited damage of Avengers encounter and daily powers  EDIT: and at will damage, too (Just compare Avenger and Barbarian). So, Painful Oath lets them catch up for the cost of a feat tax.And finally, like Saeviomagy points out, the difference isn't great. It's the 4e after all, and no character is useless. Still, I think that Painful Oath is too yummy to pass it.</blockquote>

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