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<blockquote data-quote="Windjammer" data-source="post: 5093753" data-attributes="member: 60075"><p>I'd recommend having a look at The Great Beyond, which explains the new multiverse.</p><p></p><p>You got a point, though. For instance, it's hard to look at Golarion's Demon Princes and then place Fiendish Codex I on the table and see real differences. But that's not surprising. It's the same fiendish genius behind both books. </p><p></p><p>Never forget that a lot of the really great WotC stuff was written by Paizo regulars. Expedition to Castle Greyhawk, Faiths & Pantheons, Lords of Madness, the already mentioned Fiendish Codex I. And that's even before we get to Eberron, with Eyes of the Lich Queen etc. From a certain POV then, part of the current overlap in content we see have to do with Paizo writers copying <em>their own stuff </em>they previously did for WotC, and not so much with Paizo writers copying <em>WotC writers</em> (and they better not ever start on that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). </p><p></p><p>Beyond the recent past, yes, Golarion is all about keeping the traditions of a D&D setting in place when 4E went a more radical way. Not just the naming of the Inner Sea, but if you actually look at the "Second Darkness" adventure path, you'll see that it's got 3.0 Forgotten Realms all over: the map for the elven city in adventure #3 looks almost identical to the one Paizo did for Myth Drannor in <em>Dragon </em>magazine 350-something; the drow city is named Zaknafein, nearly enough, and the adventure then returns to another elven forest kingdom infested by devils... <em>Temptation of Elminster</em> opening chapter, sort of thing. </p><p></p><p>I mean, let's get serious. There are two major factors at work here. Paizo writers put out amazing background material for the 3.x settings both in their in-house magazines and in some WotC hardbacks they were comissioned for. So it's not like these writers will forego their core competence. Second, WotC itself turns its back on the best selling one of those settings, the 3.x Realms. Frankly, Paizo'd have been <strong>nuts </strong>to not jump on the occasion to make Golarion the new Realms in the vaccum which 4E left. (I love the <em>other </em>New Realms - 4E -, but I'm one of two people globally who do so. Perhaps three.) Picking up the novels with Cunningham and co. is just the next logical step.</p><p></p><p>That said, from my purely personal, egoistical POV I'm quite sad Paizo went that way. My great love is for the Greyhawk years in Paizo's print run for <em>Dungeon </em>and <em>Dragon</em>. All that's gone. Not just because the copyrighted names are now sealed forever (with <em>Expedition to the Ruins of... </em>being an impressive capstone, if sadly so), but because that's not where the greatest part of the orphaned 3.x fanbase put their wallet. If I had my way, I'd ask Paizo to re-employ Mona in author position and have him produce 5-6 handy hardbacks on Greyhawk with deadly dungeons and the whole Circle of 8 running nuts thing superhero style.</p><p></p><p>Alas, can't have everything in life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Windjammer, post: 5093753, member: 60075"] I'd recommend having a look at The Great Beyond, which explains the new multiverse. You got a point, though. For instance, it's hard to look at Golarion's Demon Princes and then place Fiendish Codex I on the table and see real differences. But that's not surprising. It's the same fiendish genius behind both books. Never forget that a lot of the really great WotC stuff was written by Paizo regulars. Expedition to Castle Greyhawk, Faiths & Pantheons, Lords of Madness, the already mentioned Fiendish Codex I. And that's even before we get to Eberron, with Eyes of the Lich Queen etc. From a certain POV then, part of the current overlap in content we see have to do with Paizo writers copying [I]their own stuff [/I]they previously did for WotC, and not so much with Paizo writers copying [I]WotC writers[/I] (and they better not ever start on that ;) ). Beyond the recent past, yes, Golarion is all about keeping the traditions of a D&D setting in place when 4E went a more radical way. Not just the naming of the Inner Sea, but if you actually look at the "Second Darkness" adventure path, you'll see that it's got 3.0 Forgotten Realms all over: the map for the elven city in adventure #3 looks almost identical to the one Paizo did for Myth Drannor in [I]Dragon [/I]magazine 350-something; the drow city is named Zaknafein, nearly enough, and the adventure then returns to another elven forest kingdom infested by devils... [I]Temptation of Elminster[/I] opening chapter, sort of thing. I mean, let's get serious. There are two major factors at work here. Paizo writers put out amazing background material for the 3.x settings both in their in-house magazines and in some WotC hardbacks they were comissioned for. So it's not like these writers will forego their core competence. Second, WotC itself turns its back on the best selling one of those settings, the 3.x Realms. Frankly, Paizo'd have been [B]nuts [/B]to not jump on the occasion to make Golarion the new Realms in the vaccum which 4E left. (I love the [I]other [/I]New Realms - 4E -, but I'm one of two people globally who do so. Perhaps three.) Picking up the novels with Cunningham and co. is just the next logical step. That said, from my purely personal, egoistical POV I'm quite sad Paizo went that way. My great love is for the Greyhawk years in Paizo's print run for [I]Dungeon [/I]and [I]Dragon[/I]. All that's gone. Not just because the copyrighted names are now sealed forever (with [I]Expedition to the Ruins of... [/I]being an impressive capstone, if sadly so), but because that's not where the greatest part of the orphaned 3.x fanbase put their wallet. If I had my way, I'd ask Paizo to re-employ Mona in author position and have him produce 5-6 handy hardbacks on Greyhawk with deadly dungeons and the whole Circle of 8 running nuts thing superhero style. Alas, can't have everything in life. [/QUOTE]
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