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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 4727183" data-attributes="member: 1879">This is a problem that exists only from the perspective of you looking down at a character sheet.Your wizard doesn't know he's not a straight-laced wizard. He just knows he studied secrets of magic that most spellcasters never guess even existed, and he earned his way to it by gaining entry to secret societies and passing intiations that would break lesser men. (No one should ever have to see an illithid bellydance.)Suppose we took two guys from our world, Joe and Frank. Both want to learn to fight and sign up for classes at the local gym. Joe sticks with it and starts working his way up through the ranks of the boxing world. Frank wants more breadth and starts taking Tae Kwon Do. Joe becomes a semi-professional boxer about the same time Frank travels to thailand to learn Mui thai. Joe becomes a world class champion after years of hard work, while Frank has several black belts.Now: What are their classes, class levels and who would win in a fight? Nobody knows. They could both be drawn up in d20 modern or Spycraft 2 or the system of your choice and they still wouldn't know. Classes don't exist from the characters perspectives (although levels might.) So I'm left wondering: What are you complaining about? If it's the degree of system mastery required to optimize a character or it's performance there isn't a game on earth that will please you. It's an inherent part of any system with random outcomes. If it's that you finding having to write Ftr 2/ Rngr 3/ X of Blah 7 less aesthetically pleasing on a character sheet than simply Fighter 12, but you don't want to pay your your aesthetic preference with the slightest loss of "power" .... I don't think I can help you there either. Sorry. Except to say that if your only gauge of a characters worth is how well a character can blow stuff up, perhaps you're not playing in the right campaigns? If the ability to heal with a song is not ever worth an extra smidge of damage at your table it might leave you with a skewed perspective.</blockquote>

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