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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7628212" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Because you are dissatisfied with the little crunch there is in 5E...?</p><p></p><p>I believe there is a market opening for a dndian game with more crunch.</p><p></p><p>I do not believe there is a market for the various and many kinds of silliness 3.x/d20/PF offers.</p><p></p><p>The difference? 5E.</p><p></p><p>It might be simple (too simple), but it comprehensively represents an upgrade of 3E without falling into the 4E pitfalls.</p><p></p><p>WotC could not have made that unless the failure of 4E sharpened their focus and allowed them to ignore the naysayers.</p><p></p><p>It makes me nervous Paizo is listening to PF fans, some of which haven't even played 5E and thus can't see that you CAN design a fun game where martials and casters feel familiar yet different. (That is, what 4E couldn't offer)</p><p></p><p>And, here's my point, that it is possible to achieve that while still significantly rein in LFQW and NPC admin.</p><p></p><p>I would have felt a lot less nervous if Paizo had exhibited clear tendencies to look at 5E and learn from it. Yet, most PF2 chatter I hear are about PF1 and 4E - two of the *least* appropriate games to build your future on in my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7628212, member: 12731"] Because you are dissatisfied with the little crunch there is in 5E...? I believe there is a market opening for a dndian game with more crunch. I do not believe there is a market for the various and many kinds of silliness 3.x/d20/PF offers. The difference? 5E. It might be simple (too simple), but it comprehensively represents an upgrade of 3E without falling into the 4E pitfalls. WotC could not have made that unless the failure of 4E sharpened their focus and allowed them to ignore the naysayers. It makes me nervous Paizo is listening to PF fans, some of which haven't even played 5E and thus can't see that you CAN design a fun game where martials and casters feel familiar yet different. (That is, what 4E couldn't offer) And, here's my point, that it is possible to achieve that while still significantly rein in LFQW and NPC admin. I would have felt a lot less nervous if Paizo had exhibited clear tendencies to look at 5E and learn from it. Yet, most PF2 chatter I hear are about PF1 and 4E - two of the *least* appropriate games to build your future on in my opinion. [/QUOTE]
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