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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7630367" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>They likely did make more sense then in their community, but (1) a lot of this was getting hammered out because it weren't terms, and (2) a lot of the waters were muddied by people - typically critics - who took those terms and ran with them in different directions, often as if they were monolithic preferences: "That game is gamist - and gamism is bad - but I prefer simulationist games, which is good." </p><p></p><p>So what alternative labels do you offer that would be more suitable? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>It's a miracle then that you haven't deleted your own account. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>But let's approach this from another angle. You don't like GNS or find it inadequate for the analysis of TTRPGs. That's fair. What's your better alternative? This is largely the problem we are collectively facing. There are a lot of people who badmouth GNS, the Forge, or Ron Edwards' ideas, but I haven't really encountered too many offering alternative terms, concepts, or approaches for the discourse. Even a lot of the OSR community that sometimes speaks about Forge with disdain, also will find themselves engaging in discourse about games using the Forge's own framing. </p><p></p><p>More importantly, WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT does any of this actually have to do about whether "Pathfinder 2 is Paizo's 4e"?! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7630367, member: 5142"] They likely did make more sense then in their community, but (1) a lot of this was getting hammered out because it weren't terms, and (2) a lot of the waters were muddied by people - typically critics - who took those terms and ran with them in different directions, often as if they were monolithic preferences: "That game is gamist - and gamism is bad - but I prefer simulationist games, which is good." So what alternative labels do you offer that would be more suitable? :confused: It's a miracle then that you haven't deleted your own account. ;) But let's approach this from another angle. You don't like GNS or find it inadequate for the analysis of TTRPGs. That's fair. What's your better alternative? This is largely the problem we are collectively facing. There are a lot of people who badmouth GNS, the Forge, or Ron Edwards' ideas, but I haven't really encountered too many offering alternative terms, concepts, or approaches for the discourse. Even a lot of the OSR community that sometimes speaks about Forge with disdain, also will find themselves engaging in discourse about games using the Forge's own framing. More importantly, WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT does any of this actually have to do about whether "Pathfinder 2 is Paizo's 4e"?! :erm: [/QUOTE]
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