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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7639231" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>One 4e trick along those lines was to dig up minor-action attacks. Some striker classes had minor action attack encounter powers, there was a feat that let you use an at-will as a minor action 1/encounter, Dragonborn Breath, etc. Then you'd 'Alpha* Strike' with a high-damage encounter or daily as your Standard Action, Action Point for another(+ an extra basic, perhaps, from PP feature), then move-for-minor & minor for both minor-action attacks (it's not even like you necessarily gave up movement, as plenty of standard-action encounter attacks could include moving, shifting or charging). You could prettymuch flush all your encounter powers in the first round (maybe two), and easily erase a standard monster (or maybe elite), push a Solo past bloodied, or whatever. </p><p>Then you kinda sat around plinking the rest of the fight, because you were a Pony and that was your One Trick. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Encounter powers were like the visually defining 'signature moves' you'd see an action hero pull, they weren't always a lot more powerful than an at will, and might not always be worth using in absolutely every encounter, depending on how situational your choices were, but if, in contrast to the above 'optimized Alpha Strike,' you did take more interesting/situational encounter powers, and didn't burn through them in rapid succession, you'd often get to use them in a more effective or attention-catching way later in the encounter.</p><p></p><p>Same's true of Dailies over the day, of course. It was a stylistic thing, which way you went, really. The Alpha Strike optimization could actually turn out not that optimal, at all, depending on the set up of the encounter and the nature of the enemy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>* not in the same sense 'alpha player' seems to be being used in this thread, AFAICT, more in the usual 3.x era notion of 'Nova,' but, well, less so, because you had fewer daily resources to flush in 4e, and the payoff wasn't on the same order.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7639231, member: 996"] One 4e trick along those lines was to dig up minor-action attacks. Some striker classes had minor action attack encounter powers, there was a feat that let you use an at-will as a minor action 1/encounter, Dragonborn Breath, etc. Then you'd 'Alpha* Strike' with a high-damage encounter or daily as your Standard Action, Action Point for another(+ an extra basic, perhaps, from PP feature), then move-for-minor & minor for both minor-action attacks (it's not even like you necessarily gave up movement, as plenty of standard-action encounter attacks could include moving, shifting or charging). You could prettymuch flush all your encounter powers in the first round (maybe two), and easily erase a standard monster (or maybe elite), push a Solo past bloodied, or whatever. Then you kinda sat around plinking the rest of the fight, because you were a Pony and that was your One Trick. ;) Encounter powers were like the visually defining 'signature moves' you'd see an action hero pull, they weren't always a lot more powerful than an at will, and might not always be worth using in absolutely every encounter, depending on how situational your choices were, but if, in contrast to the above 'optimized Alpha Strike,' you did take more interesting/situational encounter powers, and didn't burn through them in rapid succession, you'd often get to use them in a more effective or attention-catching way later in the encounter. Same's true of Dailies over the day, of course. It was a stylistic thing, which way you went, really. The Alpha Strike optimization could actually turn out not that optimal, at all, depending on the set up of the encounter and the nature of the enemy. * not in the same sense 'alpha player' seems to be being used in this thread, AFAICT, more in the usual 3.x era notion of 'Nova,' but, well, less so, because you had fewer daily resources to flush in 4e, and the payoff wasn't on the same order. [/QUOTE]
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