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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7640629" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>Where I differ from you CapnZapp is that I don't think that 5e somehow "solved" the game. I think that it provided <em>a</em> solution - that happened to have the official WotC D&D logo - and many people found it tolerable enough to their liking. (As you occasionally hear on these forums, 5e is often everyone's second favorite edition. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />) Even then, not everyone agrees that it's a good solution. Some may not even believe that there was a problem that needed to be solved. I think that it is important to recognize that 5e is not the end-all-be-all of d20 game design for D&D style fantasy and not everyone shares the same hang-ups that you fixate on (e.g., LFQW, etc.). </p><p></p><p>I often get the sense from some of these threads that some people are pulling for PF2 to fail because 5e is their pet system that they want to see "win" rather than pulling for Paizo to succeed in creating a new, innovative fun game that can exist alongside 5e in a healthy diverse market. (It seems that the edition wars never went away; they only got a face lift and changed how the war is fought.) If this attitude turned me off from D&D during the d20 3.X era, it sure as hell does now in the 5e era. </p><p></p><p>I think that you are overstating the importance of this while also ignoring how 5e brought LFQW <em>back</em>, even if its 3e excesses have been curbed. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7640629, member: 5142"] Where I differ from you CapnZapp is that I don't think that 5e somehow "solved" the game. I think that it provided [I]a[/I] solution - that happened to have the official WotC D&D logo - and many people found it tolerable enough to their liking. (As you occasionally hear on these forums, 5e is often everyone's second favorite edition. ;)) Even then, not everyone agrees that it's a good solution. Some may not even believe that there was a problem that needed to be solved. I think that it is important to recognize that 5e is not the end-all-be-all of d20 game design for D&D style fantasy and not everyone shares the same hang-ups that you fixate on (e.g., LFQW, etc.). I often get the sense from some of these threads that some people are pulling for PF2 to fail because 5e is their pet system that they want to see "win" rather than pulling for Paizo to succeed in creating a new, innovative fun game that can exist alongside 5e in a healthy diverse market. (It seems that the edition wars never went away; they only got a face lift and changed how the war is fought.) If this attitude turned me off from D&D during the d20 3.X era, it sure as hell does now in the 5e era. I think that you are overstating the importance of this while also ignoring how 5e brought LFQW [I]back[/I], even if its 3e excesses have been curbed. :erm: [/QUOTE]
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