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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7641235" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>You're just rambling.</p><p></p><p>I know from personal experience that the value of bringing along martials in 5E is far greater than anything in 3.x</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, PF1 did comparatively nothing to fix 3E. That's the reason Paizo really needs to step up now. They won't get away with something like PF1 now, in a 5E world.</p><p></p><p>And again, sorry, but nobody cares what 4E did or didn't do. The only lesson to be learnt from 4E is, don't do it like that.</p><p></p><p>LFQW index:</p><p></p><p>3.x and PF: unbearable</p><p>4E: irrelevant</p><p>5E: significantly improved to the degree I call it as fixed.</p><p></p><p>Now, if we add a fourth line to this table (and call it PF2), it's clear to me it better offer LFQW about on the level of what 5E is offering, because otherwise it will come across as an unwelcome throwback, a game not living with the times.</p><p></p><p>My point: nostalgia is indeed alive and well, but do not confuse the want for older times with a desire for the old bad days.</p><p></p><p>Us customers might want old styles and tropes, but that does not extend to uncomfortable mechanics and details.</p><p></p><p>Nobody accepts LFQW any longer. 5E has shown you can play a 2E-3E like game and not be plagued by rampant LFQW without having to throw out the baby with the bathwater, as 4E did. Them's the breaks and Paizo better know it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7641235, member: 12731"] You're just rambling. I know from personal experience that the value of bringing along martials in 5E is far greater than anything in 3.x On the other hand, PF1 did comparatively nothing to fix 3E. That's the reason Paizo really needs to step up now. They won't get away with something like PF1 now, in a 5E world. And again, sorry, but nobody cares what 4E did or didn't do. The only lesson to be learnt from 4E is, don't do it like that. LFQW index: 3.x and PF: unbearable 4E: irrelevant 5E: significantly improved to the degree I call it as fixed. Now, if we add a fourth line to this table (and call it PF2), it's clear to me it better offer LFQW about on the level of what 5E is offering, because otherwise it will come across as an unwelcome throwback, a game not living with the times. My point: nostalgia is indeed alive and well, but do not confuse the want for older times with a desire for the old bad days. Us customers might want old styles and tropes, but that does not extend to uncomfortable mechanics and details. Nobody accepts LFQW any longer. 5E has shown you can play a 2E-3E like game and not be plagued by rampant LFQW without having to throw out the baby with the bathwater, as 4E did. Them's the breaks and Paizo better know it. [/QUOTE]
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