Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Is Pathfinder 2 Paizo's 4E?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 7642017" data-attributes="member: 907"><p>There is a more subtle change in 5e that helps a little with the LFQW issue: the number of spell slots.</p><p></p><p>In 3e, your spell slots for most levels followed a predictable pattern (for prepared casters): first you get 1 slot when you first learn a new spell level, then you have 2 slots for two levels, then 3 slots for 3 levels, and then 4 slots. The exception is 8th and 9th level spell slots which are accelerated a little (for 8th) or a lot (for 9th) in order to give you 4 slots of each level at level 20. In addition, you will probably have 1 or more additional slots per level from a high casting stat, and if you're a cleric or a specialist wizard you will have an extra slot per level that can only be used for a domain spell or a school spell. So the daily slots for a 10th level specialist wizard will likely look like this: 7/6/5/5/4.</p><p></p><p>But in 5e, things are different. You start out with more slots at lower levels (2 slots for spell levels 1 through 3), but you don't get any additional slots for stats, domains, or school specialization. And only 1st level spells only get to 4 slots. The others max at 3 (for 2nd through 5th level), 2 (for 6th and 7th level), or 1 (for 8th or 9th level). So a 10th level wizard will have a slot progression of 4/3/3/3/2. That's like half the slots of the 3e wizard, rounded up. Some classes (wizards and land druids) get a feature to recover some slots on a short rest once per day, but that basically translates into one additional top-level slot that can only be accessed after a short rest.</p><p></p><p>Of course, neo-Vancian casting combined with cantrips that are weak but not a joke means that you can probably <strong>use</strong> your slots more efficiently, but it's still a factor to consider.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 7642017, member: 907"] There is a more subtle change in 5e that helps a little with the LFQW issue: the number of spell slots. In 3e, your spell slots for most levels followed a predictable pattern (for prepared casters): first you get 1 slot when you first learn a new spell level, then you have 2 slots for two levels, then 3 slots for 3 levels, and then 4 slots. The exception is 8th and 9th level spell slots which are accelerated a little (for 8th) or a lot (for 9th) in order to give you 4 slots of each level at level 20. In addition, you will probably have 1 or more additional slots per level from a high casting stat, and if you're a cleric or a specialist wizard you will have an extra slot per level that can only be used for a domain spell or a school spell. So the daily slots for a 10th level specialist wizard will likely look like this: 7/6/5/5/4. But in 5e, things are different. You start out with more slots at lower levels (2 slots for spell levels 1 through 3), but you don't get any additional slots for stats, domains, or school specialization. And only 1st level spells only get to 4 slots. The others max at 3 (for 2nd through 5th level), 2 (for 6th and 7th level), or 1 (for 8th or 9th level). So a 10th level wizard will have a slot progression of 4/3/3/3/2. That's like half the slots of the 3e wizard, rounded up. Some classes (wizards and land druids) get a feature to recover some slots on a short rest once per day, but that basically translates into one additional top-level slot that can only be accessed after a short rest. Of course, neo-Vancian casting combined with cantrips that are weak but not a joke means that you can probably [B]use[/B] your slots more efficiently, but it's still a factor to consider. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Is Pathfinder 2 Paizo's 4E?
Top