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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5386304" data-attributes="member: 46713">Of course! I know that my group is comparatively slow _and_ it's a large number of players (on average 6). When in our 3e campaign the group reached an average level of about 12, things started to bog down seriously. It was when we had our first 8+ hours combat. The fighter-types start having 3+ attacks every turn and the caster-types have their quickened spells. There was also a lot of calculations that had to be performed, because of the buff/debuff competition that soon became the most important part of (almost) every combat.It also depends on the kind of encounters you use. Many groups mainly use single monster encounters at the higher levels which are naturally faster than using large numbers of monsters. Unfortunately, such encounters do not work for large parties.4e encounter design starts with the basic assumption that for every pc there will be an opponent, and you can use minions to boost numbers. So, if you are having combats involving similar numbers of foes, 4e combat will always be faster, imho.Note, that most reports about long grindy combat at high levels in 4e were caused by pre-MM3 monster design and damage progression tables.Anyway, to be honest, I think the OP may be better off checking out a different rpg, since in Pathfinder/3e/4e tactical combat is a huge part of the game. If you cannot stand a combat system that leads to fights lasting longer than 30min you should be playing something else. I've heard good things about the Warhammer FRPG, for example. Or maybe one of the Classic D&D Clones.</blockquote>

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