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Message: <blockquote data-quote="silverblade56" data-source="post: 6186512" data-attributes="member: 6750003"><p>If you want fast combat, do not use 4E, unless you want to use all minions, which would make combat so easy as to be pointless.  A low level combat in 4E will take at least 40 minutes, by the time you hit paragon 1 and a half to two hours if you are extremely lucky.  I have seen a 4E LFR combat encounter at about 12th level take over 4 hours.  A low level combat in Pathfinder will take about 15 minutes unless it has added complexity , indecisive players, or a series of bad dice rolls.  Pathfinder combat at higher levels can take several hours for big setpice boss fights, but every fight in 4E is a big, setpiece boss fight with tons of tactical complexity, ongoing effects with different durations to keep track of, and tons of monster hit points to churn through.  For example, most PFS scenarios can easily be completed in the four hour timeframe they are supposed to be completed in.  LFR (4E) mods are supposed to take the same amount of time, but usually take 6 hours or more unless they have two or less combat ecnounters, PC's can opt out of combat encounters, or the DM calls the fight as soon as it looks like the PC's are going to win.  Insane combat length and constant rules updates are some of the things that pretty much killed LFR in my area.</p></blockquote><p></p>