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Message: <blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7161258" data-attributes="member: 97077">Probably just 10 + Prof + Str or Dex I'm guessing. That would make monsters' defense somewhat improved perhaps because not many have training in Athletics or Acrobatics.The way I see it, the uncertainty exists prior to comparing the passive score to the DC. It's resolved once compared. So the player has described the character undertaking an ongoing task ("I keep watch for monsters and traps as we delve...") and, based on subsequent movement and position, the DM determines if that effort has a certain or uncertain outcome by whatever standards seem appropriate. If certain, there's no need to compare passive score to DC - the PC just succeeds or fails outright. If uncertain, the DM then goes to the passive score and compares it to the DC to get at an outcome.</blockquote>