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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7161295" data-attributes="member: 97077">That's the adjudication process though right? We decide on success or failure before going to an ability check, and a passive check is an ability check.Yes, definitely. It depends on the circumstances of course. It's typically going to happen when the DM has telegraphed the trap when describing the environment and the player does something that obviates uncertainty as to noticing it while exploring.The outcome would be the same, but I don't go to the check (passive or otherwise) until uncertainty is established to remain consistent with the adjudication process. There's also the issue of whether the character is actually Keeping Watch or doing something else. Your PP 20 isn't going to help you find a trap when you're looking for secret doors while exploring. Or if the party is approaching the trap and you're in the back rank. I think a lot of people treat PP as a catch-all for everything and it's really no wonder why a lot of people come away from it dissatisfied or feel Observant is just crazy powerful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7161295, member: 97077"] That's the adjudication process though right? We decide on success or failure before going to an ability check, and a passive check is an ability check. Yes, definitely. It depends on the circumstances of course. It's typically going to happen when the DM has telegraphed the trap when describing the environment and the player does something that obviates uncertainty as to noticing it while exploring. The outcome would be the same, but I don't go to the check (passive or otherwise) until uncertainty is established to remain consistent with the adjudication process. There's also the issue of whether the character is actually Keeping Watch or doing something else. Your PP 20 isn't going to help you find a trap when you're looking for secret doors while exploring. Or if the party is approaching the trap and you're in the back rank. I think a lot of people treat PP as a catch-all for everything and it's really no wonder why a lot of people come away from it dissatisfied or feel Observant is just crazy powerful. [/QUOTE]

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