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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9826221" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I don't really see that and I play with some groups that have extreme optimizers in the group and another player that barely understands the rules.Where I see frustration by some (sometimes even me) is not in terms of character build or inherent PC competency but rather in obviously poor choices/tactics in game.  For example, my biggest frustration in the past 4 years as a player was with another player who always played a fighter or barbarian, always dumped charisma and then always insisted on leading all the social encounters (this was a 2014 Fighter where they were not inherently good at those).  He pretty much elbowed out the other players at the table when it came to social encounters and I was rocking a high charisma Rogue with proficiency in all the social skills and expertise in Deception and Persuasion.   I think this is players playing the game they want to play.  While I don't design my characters for "the party" I very much do design them for the game I am playing in and you should figure that out in session 0 at the latest (usually before session 0).If 3 players show up for a hack and slash and one player shows up for a game with no combat (and these do exist) it is an obvious problem, but that is different than 3 players showing up that are optimal in combat and one that is optimal out of combat.</blockquote>