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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AlViking" data-source="post: 9833382" data-attributes="member: 6906980">I just spent way to much time on building 2 characters in DndBeyond where "A" has 9, 7, 11, 4, 13, 10 and "B"  has 9, 13, 13, 15, 15, 18. I made them both fighters to keep things simple, even though B would be good at any given class.  I'm sure I could have built this other ways, but I'm assuming whoever rolled this was focused primarily on fighting.  For example I could have put the 15 in charisma and made them the party face.Anyway after adjustment from background or race A has Str: 15 Dex: 10 Con: 14 Wis: 9 Int: 7 Cha: 4.  B has Str: 20 Dex: 15 Con: 16 Wis: 13 Int: 13 Cha: 9.  Against AC 16, A does 3 points of damage on average.  B does doubles average damage to 6.  At 8th level A finally has a 20 strength so the damage per round is the same (barring damage bonuses from feats).  Thing is though, B never had to spend anything to increase their strength so I increased the Dex to 16, took the Tough feat and increased Con to 18.  So at 8th level A has 60 HP, B has 100.  A 2/3 increase in HP is pretty noticeable.  In addition B can be a pretty good archer, has better initiative, can be stealthy, better overall saving throws. I could seeing them even subbing for a rogue with the right proficiencies.  I don't see a comparison.Anyway here's more pointless details because I can hear the reply now that "nobody will notice". As a reminder I got these numbers after rolling 5 characters for 10 groups. It's not like I rolled a thousand and found the worst case.[SPOILER="A rolled 9, 7, 11, 4, 13, 10 and B rolled 9, 13, 13, 15, 15, 18."]After adjustments at level 1.  Human fighter with dueling to keep it easy. Target AC 16 for average damage. A: is really limited in options, has average dex and poor skills outside of combat.  Frightens children and most adults with their looks<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Str: 15 Dex: 10 Con: 14 Wis: 9 Int: 7 Cha: 4.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack: +4, DMG: 1d8+4(avg 3), HP: 12.</li> </ul>B: Can be any class the want and excel.  <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Str: 20 Dex: 15 Con: 16 Wis: 13 Int: 13 Cha: 9.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack: +7, DMG: 1d8+7(avg 6), HP: 13</li> </ul>So right away, A is doing average damage 3, B is doing 6 per attack.  Combat effectiveness is noticeably better for B and B is a decent archer as well.  Instead of putting that 15 they could put it in charisma and be the party face.  They have a lot of options for out-of-combat utility and, of course, better saving throws. Level 4A: Limited options because they have to start getting their strength up.  I'm going to take Athlete.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Str: 16 Dex: 10 Con: 14 Wis: 9 Int: 7 Cha: 4.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack: +5, DMG: 1d8+5(4), HP: 32.</li> </ul>B: I don't need to increase strength so I have a lot of options, but they want to be a better archer.  He also has more options for armor and could consider breastplate so they can be good at stealth. So many options!The HP difference is also starting to climb.Str: 20 Dex: 15 Con: 16 Wis: 13 Int: 13 Cha: 9.  Attack: +7, DMG: 1d8+7 (avg 6), HP: 40Level 6A: Again, probably going to just add to strength, not much is going to helpStr: 18 Dex: 10 Con: 14 Wis: 9 Int: 7 Cha: 4.  Attack: +7, DMG: 1d8+6(avg 10), HP: 46. B: Lots of options but I don't really have a any weaknesses. I'll take the tough featStr: 20 Dex: 15 Con: 16 Wis: 13 Int: 13 Cha: 9.  Attack: +8, DMG: 1d8+7(avg 14), HP: 70Level 8A: Finally maxing out strength.  Finally catches up on strength but 2 feats behind.Str: 20 Dex: 10 Con: 14 Wis: 9 Int: 7 Cha: 4.  Attack: +8, DMG: 1d8+7(avg 14), HP: 60. 60 * X = 100B: Because I can't take tough again, I'll increas my con by 2Str: 20 Dex: 15 Con: 18 Wis: 13 Int: 13 Cha: 9.  Attack: +8, DMG: 1d8+7(avg 14), HP: 100So until level 8, B does more damage. They also have an option of being a decent archer and good at stealth.  At level 8, they're 3 feats ahead or just increase HP so they have 2/3 more HP.  That's not even taking into consider options for multi-classing, being a really good MAD class and so on.  I think it's a huge and noticeable difference both in combat and even moreso outside of combat.[/SPOILER]</blockquote>

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