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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9840808" data-attributes="member: 7030563">This is not true.  The exact chance is highlly dependant on monster AC, hit points, weapons, how many rolls you are having, what you are wielding and what you consider "balanced".This is not true.You have to make a bunch of assumptions to actually calculate this and those assumptions will heavily drive this metric.This is not true either, it is not almost double "every single round".  The average you are talking about is a mean. It is the sum of all possible damages multiplied by the chance of occurrence for each one.   The mean damage does not happen "every single round" or even many rounds.What is most likely to happen "every single round" is dependent on the most common occurrence (i.e. the mode), not on the mean damage.To illustrate this with an extreme example; lets assume one 1st level PC has a strength of 30, the other has a strength of 3.  They are fighting a monster with a 32 AC.  If wielding Mauls the 30 strength character has an average damage of 1.2 DPR.  The 3 strength character has an average damage of 0.0275 DPR.In this example the average (mean) DPR for the 30 strength character is 43 times more than the 3 strength character. However almost 95% of rounds they both do 0 damage, so they actually do the same damage almost "every single round".Now this is a ridiculous example you will never see in play, but it illustrates how far off you are with statements like "every single round", and the same principle applies in much less dramatically when we use more reasonable numbers, but for any reasonable number with a 14 Strength and a 20 strength the most common result will still be they do the same damage (0).  Comparing all possible results in a round, that is what will happen most often.Either of them can take feats or ability score increasesOk, why don't we do this - post some actual results from play and see how balanced they are in a session.I tell you what, I will try to record total damage numbers for the 5 PCs we have in a game Monday, and Wednesday and the 4 PCs in my Tuesday game and post them here.  Two of those games are point buy games, one is not, but I am confident none of them will be balanced in terms of damage.  I am confident this will not be balanced, even with players of the same class who used point buy.This is going to be difficult to do, but I will try to come back here Thursday with data from all three games at three different tables with three different DMs and three different groups of players.  One of those games even has 2 single-classed Barbarians in it!They matter a TON, they just won't make your game balanced just because they are equal.</blockquote>

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