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<blockquote data-quote="Kugar" data-source="post: 312246" data-attributes="member: 442">So what is the difference between the assasin sent to assasinate the king of an empire his culture determines &quot;evil&quot; and what the adventures do everyday.&nbsp; Obviously there is a difference.&nbsp; Is there?&nbsp; Look at Nercomancer's Maze series, the PCs are basically assasins themselves.&nbsp; Where is the line?&nbsp; If the game is all about the end and not the means you still can have a story, but when you look back at the protagonists are they really heroes?Please tell me you can see the difference between 1) Walking up to the orc camp to try to parley and ending up taking on the whole camp.2) Sneaking into camp to see who is behind all the raids and gathering information.3) Sneaking into camp, poising the water supply and walking in a few days later to pick up the pieces.Their is a real problem with the way poison is used, and part of the reason some people don't see it is the &quot;video game&quot; mentality of the players/DM.&nbsp; If the game boils down to - &quot;See that camp of orcs over there, Kill them all!&quot;&nbsp; Sure killing them with a sword is little different than poisoning them.&nbsp; But I have a problem with good adventures mowing down whole villages and hiding behind prejudices and reasoning.Poison is not inherently evil, and there are some times that it will be used in ways other than normal, but I still see the basic concept in conflict with the assumptions we make when we play &quot;heroes&quot; and must be balanced carefully.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kugar, post: 312246, member: 442"] So what is the difference between the assasin sent to assasinate the king of an empire his culture determines "evil" and what the adventures do everyday. Obviously there is a difference. Is there? Look at Nercomancer's Maze series, the PCs are basically assasins themselves. Where is the line? If the game is all about the end and not the means you still can have a story, but when you look back at the protagonists are they really heroes? Please tell me you can see the difference between 1) Walking up to the orc camp to try to parley and ending up taking on the whole camp. 2) Sneaking into camp to see who is behind all the raids and gathering information. 3) Sneaking into camp, poising the water supply and walking in a few days later to pick up the pieces. Their is a real problem with the way poison is used, and part of the reason some people don't see it is the "video game" mentality of the players/DM. If the game boils down to - "See that camp of orcs over there, Kill them all!" Sure killing them with a sword is little different than poisoning them. But I have a problem with good adventures mowing down whole villages and hiding behind prejudices and reasoning. Poison is not inherently evil, and there are some times that it will be used in ways other than normal, but I still see the basic concept in conflict with the assumptions we make when we play "heroes" and must be balanced carefully. [/QUOTE]

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