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<blockquote data-quote="HEL Pit Fiend" data-source="post: 299450" data-attributes="member: 5971">Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Proof Against Transmutation armor enchantment from the MoF an Epic enStill, I made new points <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> You didn't understand my point, I used that example to show how silly and illogical your point was.&nbsp; Let me illustrate for you further:Your logic:Your logic is:a) If the DMG does not limit itandb) The FRCS allows itthereforec) The +6 armor enchantment in question is not epicThere is a fundamental problem to your logic:a) The DMG does not and can not define what is and isn't epic.andb) Ditto for the FRCSthereforec) How can you say what is and isn't epic relying on only those 2 books?&nbsp; &quot;Epic&quot; is not even mentioned once in the DMG, yet your using it as the holy grail of what item is or isn't epic, at least by your above example.&nbsp; Here's something substantial, b*tch <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Epic Level Handbook, page 123 ---&gt; The epic level &quot;10 commandments&quot; of magic items.&nbsp; If a magic item has one of those abilities listed, it's epic , bubba!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HEL Pit Fiend, post: 299450, member: 5971"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Proof Against Transmutation armor enchantment from the MoF an Epic en[/b] Still, I made new points :) You didn't understand my point, I used that example to show how silly and illogical your point was. Let me illustrate for you further: Your logic: Your logic is: a) If the DMG does not limit it and b) The FRCS allows it therefore c) The +6 armor enchantment in question is [I]not epic[/I] There is a fundamental problem to your logic: a) The DMG [B]does not and can not[/B] define what is and isn't epic. and b) Ditto for the FRCS therefore c) How can you say what is and isn't epic relying on [I]only[/I] those 2 books? "Epic" is not even mentioned once in the DMG, yet your using it as the holy grail of what item is or isn't epic, at least by your above example. Here's something substantial, b*tch :D Epic Level Handbook, page 123 ---> The epic level "10 commandments" of magic items. If a magic item has one of those abilities listed, [B][I][COLOR=red] [SIZE=3]it's epic[/SIZE] [/COLOR][/I][/B], bubba! [/QUOTE]

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