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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 299879" data-attributes="member: 2829">Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Proof Against Transmutation armor enchantment from the MoF an EpiThat's a matter of perspective.Yes I did. I just thought it was an empty one.You did? That's news to me.I can't wait...So far so good...Incorrect. This is not my logic. This is your interpretation of my logic, but incorrect none the less.A) The DMG does not limit itB) The FRCS allows itC) The ELH is a rules supplement, and was made long after the +6 enhancement Proof against Transmutation. At the time Magic of Faerun was produced, the ELH was in early early development, and the Magic of Faerun was produced without requiring, nor using, anything from the epic level rules. The epic level rules were in pre-pre-pre-beta at the time the FRCS came out, and it didn't cover epic level weapon enhancements. In fact, the FRCS specifically states that it was written without the need for even the preliminary epic level rules. If it doesn't need, nor require, the epic level rules, then Proof against Transmutation isn't epic level, as it was designed without requiring it. Thus, Proof against Transmutation is not an epic enhancement, simply because it was designed, along with the FRCS, as well as MaoF, to function completely independtly of the epic level rules.This should be interesting...It doesn't need to. The DMG was written without the need of the ELH, thus nothing in the DMG applies to the ELH. The ELH, if used, does not supercede the item creation rules, when in fact, it extends them. In the DMG, +6 or higher enhancements are not disallowed, and to prove this, Proof against Transmutation was added to MaoF. However, Proof against Transmutation wasn't even designed with the ELH in mind, as the FRCS can function completely independtly of it. So, if you slap on the ELH rules and apply it to Proof against Transmutation, a weapon enhancement that was not designed with the epic level rules in mind, what you end up with is a +1 proof against transmutation suit of armor that will cost you at least 361,000gp, and proof against transmutation isn't worth that at all, though it is worth it at a cost of 49,000gp (which is perfectly reasonable for the enhancement).See previous answer.See previous answer.I never said it was.Hardly. I judge whether or not an item is "epic" (in the sense of powerful beyond the norm) based upon it's power level, usefulness, and overall value. So, this "holy grail" that you speak of, if I use one at all, is simply a matter of game balance. Perhaps you believe that game balance isn't a factor unless you are using the epic level rules (conjecture). *shrug*Oh really? From where I'm standing, your still on the receiving end.See 6th and 8th answer.</blockquote>

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