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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Silver Griffon" data-source="post: 704862" data-attributes="member: 9425">For those who require "reasonable" magic...SR does not apply to Quench because it does not target the creature. From its description, it is clearly an AoE spell unless used against a magic item. Then, SR of the magic item does apply because quench was used as a targeted spell in that instance. Examining the spell description further, you will find that it is an instantaneous transmutation effect. What is it transmuting? In the case of targeting a wand of fireballs that is obvious. When used as an AoE it is a little more subtle. In that case, you are actually transforming the area itself into an environment that is antithetic to the existence of fire. This transmutation lasts only an instant. All regular, everyday, normal fires are extinguished in that instant. IMHO, one can assume that magical fire, like that which fire elementals and continual flame spells is composed of, is made up of regular fire that is held together, sustained, and enhanced by a magical force. The magic is a "skin" of sorts that sustains the fire. During the instant that the area affected by the quench cannot sustain fire, the magic "skin" attempts to do this. The damage dealt to the fire creature results from some of its "innards" suddenly ceasing to exist. If it survives, then the magic succefssfully sustained or rekindled the fire. The reason that there is no Ref save given to fire creatures in the area is that unlike a fireball, for example, it is not an effect that spreads outwards from a point in space. (Fireball's area entry specifically reads "20-ft. radius spread".)  Quench cannot be dodged because the entire area of the spell effect is transmuted all at once. When determining which creatures it would affect, ask this question: Would having some or all of the creature's fire extinguished reasonably be expected to harm the creature? In the case of a remorhaz it would not. Its internal fire is extinguished for only an instant. This does not harm the remorhaz. A generous DM might negate the fire portion of the damage sustained by anyone in the creature's gullet for a single round. A red dragon? Same thing. Again, a generous DM might deny the dragon the use of its breath weapon during that round while its internal fires rekindle. A super-generous DM might even make the dragon wait 1d4 rounds before using the breath weapon just as if it had used it that round. Now, for the munchkins who are thinking about taking advantage of such a generous DM by readying a quench to stop a red dragon's breath weapon, you are out of luck. A breath weapon is a supernatural ability, not a spell, and is not subject to quench. I would allow it to be readied as a counterspell against a fire spell, though.Note: I am responding to so many different ideas posted here all at once that I am unable to quote everybody. Suffice it to say that I completely agree and vehemently disagree with several of you. Sometimes simultaneously. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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