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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dark Dragon" data-source="post: 704984" data-attributes="member: 1115">Okay, I'll try to clear things up on fire based and fire subtype (at last what I'm thinking about it...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />).To stay on my question regarding the dragon and the elemental: A fire elemental cannot cross water by touching it and he cannot enter it (MM, p. 84), a red dragon has no problem with water. I don't suggest that water would be harmful to a fire elemental, magmin or magma mephit (unless it's cold enough, and that determination is up to the DM), and realism would sometimes be nice, but it's a world of magic, so...no need to argue <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.I'd rule it that all creatures wrathed in flames and/or made of fire (and having a problem entering water) could be affected by Quench. Seems that I'm with Pielorinho on that...The occasions to use the spell are rare, no need to weaken it. I admit that the dispel check and SR seem to be a bit contrarious, removing the check would make things easier, IMHO.</blockquote>