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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marshal Lucky" data-source="post: 3723142" data-attributes="member: 54050">I never argued that setting up an environment is railroading. Again, you are resorting to  strawmandering.It's not when the DM controls the NPCs, it's when he decides what the PCs will do (regardless of what the players have to say about it) before the game begins.I'm not very familiar with 3E, but there's nothing in 1E, 2E or OD&D about rigging the game. The fact that all versions of (A)D&D are billed as a game shows that predermined outcomes are the antithesis of what the creators of the game had in mind.A game is an activity undertaken or regarded as a contest involving rivalry, strategy, or struggle. Rigged outcomes are not a game. Stories are stories; games are games. They are not the same thing. Nobody interested in playing a game, that's for certain. If group storytelling or amateur theatre are your thing, fine. Just don't pretend it's a contest or game when it isn't. <non-sequitur deleted>Three-Card Monte is not a card game, it's a scam in which a shill and a dishonest card dealer cheat people out of their money through sleight of hand. Police often arrest people they catch performing this kind of thievery. I'll stick to honest gaming, thank you very much. <incoherent non-sequitur deleted>Since you didn't understand the first time:Railroading takes a game (you know -a contest or struggle) and turns it into something that is no longer a game. That's just a fact. If someone was looking to play a game and ended up  being a bit player in a DMs predetermined melodrama, I'd say that person was cheated. Just as someone looking to play a game of cards who gets baited and switched by a dishonest dealer. I think just about everyone prefers honest gaming. I challenge you to name someone  who was happy about wasting his time and money playing a game of poker with a dealer who used marked cards because said dealer had a "story" in mind.Yep. And a most unbecoming one, too.I don't watch WWE. I watch sports -not clown acts.If you're railroading, you're not playing a game. Pretending to play a game when you aren't is by it's very nature absurd at best and dishonest at worst. I wonder how many railroading enthusiasts are frank with their players and tell them up front:"It doesn't really matter what you decide to do with your PCs. I already made up my mind how things are going to go. " If not, why not? They could at least save their players the trouble of lugging around the rulebooks and dice.</blockquote>

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