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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7519078" data-attributes="member: 71699">Once spells get involved, it becomes difficult to predict what will happen. I think you can observe that crowd-control on the whole favours ranged attacks.Thinking about those specific spells, at level 4 a Bard probably adds more to most fights with Greater Invis. which gives advantage on attacks and disadvantage to attackers, unless they have truesight, or Haste. It's better to Haste a Barbarian for instance, if they are Reckless. It's not on the Bard list but they can get it with Secrets. So I'm not convinced about casting Compulsion to trigger OAs. Our Bard used Dissonant Whispers and my experience is that the frequency of provoking an OA is fairly low. I think that was because the best target to Whisper generally wasn't the one already toe-to-toe with the melee character. I like the use of Command.I should also have pointed out as that max damage is a misnomer, as I'm showing the damage if all attacks can be made and hit, but using only the average damage for each. It's the maximum of the average damage. I'll edit my post to make that clearer.I think with OAs, their frequency is highly conditioned on how the DM decides to play the foes. It might vary widely group to group. My own experience is that they're not that frequent, either DMing or playing. However, as DM I have noticed a gradual change in how I run foes, to preferring to accept an OA if it means repositioning for a better attack (e.g. on a squishier target). It makes the melee &quot;tarpit&quot; more porous. It does seem more-than-usually speculative to count OAs into a damage estimation, that's for sure.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7519078, member: 71699"] Once spells get involved, it becomes difficult to predict what will happen. I think you can observe that crowd-control on the whole favours ranged attacks. Thinking about those specific spells, at level 4 a Bard probably adds more to most fights with Greater Invis. which gives advantage on attacks and disadvantage to attackers, unless they have truesight, or Haste. It's better to Haste a Barbarian for instance, if they are Reckless. It's not on the Bard list but they can get it with Secrets. So I'm not convinced about casting Compulsion to trigger OAs. Our Bard used Dissonant Whispers and my experience is that the frequency of provoking an OA is fairly low. I think that was because the best target to Whisper generally wasn't the one already toe-to-toe with the melee character. I like the use of Command. I should also have pointed out as that max damage is a misnomer, as I'm showing the damage if all attacks can be made and hit, but using only the average damage for each. It's the maximum of the average damage. I'll edit my post to make that clearer. I think with OAs, their frequency is highly conditioned on how the DM decides to play the foes. It might vary widely group to group. My own experience is that they're not that frequent, either DMing or playing. However, as DM I have noticed a gradual change in how I run foes, to preferring to accept an OA if it means repositioning for a better attack (e.g. on a squishier target). It makes the melee "tarpit" more porous. It does seem more-than-usually speculative to count OAs into a damage estimation, that's for sure. [/QUOTE]

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