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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7519271" data-attributes="member: 6880599">First if you shoot someone in chain mail it will absolutely pierce it. Don't believe me? Do any research into why plate armor died out and they all say the same thing. Plate armor able to stop arched shots at range and effective against swords was not sufficient to stop firearms so the had to improve the armor to protect against firearms but that also made it more expensive. So they striped arms and legs to make it cheaper and lighter in favor or mobility over stopping penetration. That practice continues today in modern military with the armor plated flack vest and Kevlar helmet. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armour#Early_Modern_period" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armour#Early_Modern_period</a>Ok... I am from the south... I know people with the silencer legally (I am not a licensed gun owner) and we have gone to the range where I have stood beside them while firing. … They are in fact quite enough to provide a level of stealth when you are at range. Sure standing beside the gun you hear it but you don't generally use a ranged weapon for melee combat so range is to be expected and if your not listening for a silencer and its being fired at 200 ft from a target and your not seeing the flash your in trouble. Because the military DOES use silencers for cover missions and its not for hearing protection. Here is a good article of use in stealth missions: <a href="https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2010/10/26/the-truth-about-suppressors/" target="_blank">https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2010/10/26/the-truth-about-suppressors/</a>And another one where the point out that making no sound is not required to be useful for as a stealth weapon. The implication being that in combat, a noise decoy typically of a deliberately loud assault from the front without silencers is used to cover the more quite silenced weapons in flanking positions picking off enemies from behind their cover without alerting combatants to their location. Having weapons that are half as loud means that they are easily down out and enemies are picked off without know where the real threat is.<a href="https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/06/27/the-new-stealth-infantry-how-suppressors-will-change-battlefield-tactics/" target="_blank">https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/06/27/the-new-stealth-infantry-how-suppressors-will-change-battlefield-tactics/</a>So despite your condescending personal attack... the use of silencers in actual combat as a stealth weapon is 100% a real thing. Your applying your "everyone thinks silencers are silent but they are not" rant to me but that was not what I said...What I was saying is that we made silencers and stopped using melee attacks as our go to for stealth because we could then fire at ranged with enough sound reduction to within the weapons effective range of fire and attack targets without giving away our position (so stealth) and still be with in effective charge range to close on objectives before further defenses hear and respond. Special forces don't use silencers for their target... the bullets are for that, they use them because with out the silencer the patrol on the other end of compound also know they are their and where they are at. Your talking about it like stealth is only complete invisibly, but stealth is broader than that, even reducing presence, hiding your position, and reducing awareness of presence are forms of stealth. We simply changed how stealth is done when switching to guns because you don't have to get in and out without anyone knowing you were there, you just have to get in and out before they can figure out where you are... were.</blockquote>

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