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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8482071" data-attributes="member: 7030563">HP has as more problems with immunity than fear does.&nbsp; HP causes charmed and it only affects those that are charmed by the spell.&nbsp; A lot of creatures are immune to charmed and thereby immune to the entire spell.&nbsp; On top of that some more are not immune to charmed but have advantage on saves against charmed.I think Fear is the top control spell of 3rd level or below.&nbsp; As you alluded to, it has problems with many enemies immune to frightened, and that is a weakness.&nbsp; But overall I still think it is a lot better than HP or most others for many reasons:&nbsp;&nbsp; First enemies still drop what they are carrying even if they are immune to frightened, so it still has a minor effect on them and it will take away AOOs, let you pick up their gear etc.&nbsp; Second they can not be shaken out of it by an ally or damage and they can reattempt the save only if out if sight of the caster.&nbsp; Finally it is much better in terms of action denial.&nbsp; If you fail to save against fear you lose all your actions until the spell ends or you are out of sight, even once out of sight you continue to lose actions until you save.&nbsp; Further since you take the dash action, that alone will often translate to 2 actions lost for every turn you are under its effect (1 action lost on that turn and then another action lost to make up for the dash you took and work your way back to the party).The only things HP has going for relative to Fear IMO is the range and you can catch allies in it with fewer issues.&nbsp; If you catch an ally in fear they are running away with all the enemies and you have to run them down or tackle them or something like that to stop it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8482071, member: 7030563"] HP has as more problems with immunity than fear does. HP causes charmed and it only affects those that are charmed by the spell. A lot of creatures are immune to charmed and thereby immune to the entire spell. On top of that some more are not immune to charmed but have advantage on saves against charmed. I think Fear is the top control spell of 3rd level or below. As you alluded to, it has problems with many enemies immune to frightened, and that is a weakness. But overall I still think it is a lot better than HP or most others for many reasons: First enemies still drop what they are carrying even if they are immune to frightened, so it still has a minor effect on them and it will take away AOOs, let you pick up their gear etc. Second they can not be shaken out of it by an ally or damage and they can reattempt the save only if out if sight of the caster. Finally it is much better in terms of action denial. If you fail to save against fear you lose all your actions until the spell ends or you are out of sight, even once out of sight you continue to lose actions until you save. Further since you take the dash action, that alone will often translate to 2 actions lost for every turn you are under its effect (1 action lost on that turn and then another action lost to make up for the dash you took and work your way back to the party). The only things HP has going for relative to Fear IMO is the range and you can catch allies in it with fewer issues. If you catch an ally in fear they are running away with all the enemies and you have to run them down or tackle them or something like that to stop it. [/QUOTE]

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