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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 7611054" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>What I am saying is literature has many meanings as a word. One use of the word is broadly 'all written works'. But that especially part of the definition is important. It isn't just a mere subset, it is one of the most prevalent uses of the word literature. That is what especially means. And your argument relies on us accepting lit as 'words on a page' only to make further arguments that require lit to be aspiring to a higher quality. Whether or not lit is a subset or the most frequent meaning of the word: the important thing is, in either case you are equivocating on that distinction between the more general term and the more specific. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First off, shows are scripted, RPGs are not. Shows rely much more heavily on the actual written words than RPGs in that respect. If you scripted all your games, by all means, make an argument for it being literature. But more importantly, when people talk about shows, movies, etc being literary it is usually because they are aspiring to part B of the definition (great works) rather than mere 'words on a page'. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That isn't how words work Max. Words do have multiple meanings. That first definition identifies two. Yes you can form a venn diagram with them, but they are still different meanings and uses of the word. Further that is just the first definition. Most definitions of literature offer up about 3-4 meanings. You are definitely equivocating on two very different meanings of the word. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But you need to demonstrate that is what RPGs are in order to do that (and not get it in the door by arguing they are literature because they use words. This is where you use equivocation in your argument. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes it is. I just explained why.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 7611054, member: 85555"] What I am saying is literature has many meanings as a word. One use of the word is broadly 'all written works'. But that especially part of the definition is important. It isn't just a mere subset, it is one of the most prevalent uses of the word literature. That is what especially means. And your argument relies on us accepting lit as 'words on a page' only to make further arguments that require lit to be aspiring to a higher quality. Whether or not lit is a subset or the most frequent meaning of the word: the important thing is, in either case you are equivocating on that distinction between the more general term and the more specific. First off, shows are scripted, RPGs are not. Shows rely much more heavily on the actual written words than RPGs in that respect. If you scripted all your games, by all means, make an argument for it being literature. But more importantly, when people talk about shows, movies, etc being literary it is usually because they are aspiring to part B of the definition (great works) rather than mere 'words on a page'. That isn't how words work Max. Words do have multiple meanings. That first definition identifies two. Yes you can form a venn diagram with them, but they are still different meanings and uses of the word. Further that is just the first definition. Most definitions of literature offer up about 3-4 meanings. You are definitely equivocating on two very different meanings of the word. But you need to demonstrate that is what RPGs are in order to do that (and not get it in the door by arguing they are literature because they use words. This is where you use equivocation in your argument. Yes it is. I just explained why. [/QUOTE]
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