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Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7611180" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>Hussar, these are not "[our] terms," but, rather, terms that others have supplied in this thread. We have been responding to those terms. I have been working with those terms. If you ever bother reading the literature provided in this discussion, I have indicated quite explicitly which sense I have been working with for engaging one line of reasoning in the discussion. </p><p></p><p>You yourself listed two senses of the word "literature": (1) literature as "written texts" and (2) literature as "high written art". </p><p></p><p>Bedrockgames generally operates from a more conventional sense of literature: sense (2). However, Bedrockgames also opposes the equivocation of these two meanings, particularly when people argue that RPGs are written texts (1) and then using that to then advocate that RPGs should be approached as "high art" (2). He also opposes Maxperson turning nearly everything into qualifying as "literature," including conversations. </p><p></p><p>I don't particularly care about meaning (2) because you have asserted repeatedly now that you agree that RPGs would not qualify as (2). So I have been arguing against RPGs as literature on the basis of (1), i.e., Max's use. </p><p></p><p>I am not making the positive assertion that RPGs qualify as literature. People arguing that RPGs qualify as literature (1) have supplied their definitions. So I am engaging those definitions and arguments. The argumentative onus is not on me to supply a definition of "literature," because I am not the one who making a positive statement. </p><p></p><p>So let us be clear here where Bedrockgames and I align: </p><p>If we define literature as (2), then RPGs are not literature. </p><p>If we define literature as (1), then RPGs are not literature.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7611180, member: 5142"] Hussar, these are not "[our] terms," but, rather, terms that others have supplied in this thread. We have been responding to those terms. I have been working with those terms. If you ever bother reading the literature provided in this discussion, I have indicated quite explicitly which sense I have been working with for engaging one line of reasoning in the discussion. You yourself listed two senses of the word "literature": (1) literature as "written texts" and (2) literature as "high written art". Bedrockgames generally operates from a more conventional sense of literature: sense (2). However, Bedrockgames also opposes the equivocation of these two meanings, particularly when people argue that RPGs are written texts (1) and then using that to then advocate that RPGs should be approached as "high art" (2). He also opposes Maxperson turning nearly everything into qualifying as "literature," including conversations. I don't particularly care about meaning (2) because you have asserted repeatedly now that you agree that RPGs would not qualify as (2). So I have been arguing against RPGs as literature on the basis of (1), i.e., Max's use. I am not making the positive assertion that RPGs qualify as literature. People arguing that RPGs qualify as literature (1) have supplied their definitions. So I am engaging those definitions and arguments. The argumentative onus is not on me to supply a definition of "literature," because I am not the one who making a positive statement. So let us be clear here where Bedrockgames and I align: If we define literature as (2), then RPGs are not literature. If we define literature as (1), then RPGs are not literature. [/QUOTE]
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