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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 1695780" data-attributes="member: 1077"><p>Ok, I found some interesting info. In the article "All About Sneak Attacks (Part Four)". This article came out 3/9/04. I don't remember if 3.5 was out at this time, so I am not sure if the article is referrencing 3.0 rules or 3.5 rules. I have the feeling it is still referring to 3.0 rules (I'll show you why below).</p><p></p><p></p><p>The article can be found here: <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040309a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040309a</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, I beleive there was a Manyshot feat in 3.0, so I don't know if they are referring to 3.0 or 3.5. It is very clearly stated (in 3.5) right in the description of Manyshot, that only the first arrow fired gets sneak attack, so I don't know why they would clarify it there.</p><p></p><p>Also... It states that you make multiple attack rolls <em>as part of the same attack</em>. As I noted in an earlier post, the casting of Scorching Ray is not an attack (not an attack action or type). It is a Standard Action. The "attack" comes in after you aim each ray and roll to hit with each Ray. For this statement to be true, you would need 1 Ray to be able to hit multipe targets (like with Split Ray). THEN I would agree, only the first ray (in the volley) gets Sneak Attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with what they are stating here, but I do not feel it applies to Scorching Ray. Here is why. First off, they are referring to 3.0 rules and books. They are referencing a spell (energy orb) and a feat (Split Ray) from <em>Tome & Blood</em>. If I were playing 3.0, I'd have my answer.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, it says <em>with spell effects that allow you to make multiple attack rolls</em>. The strange thing is, Acid Orb (from T&B) doesn't have a spell Effect. It has a Range (which is the same exact Range as Scorching Ray) and it has "Targets: One or more creatures, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart". Scorching Ray does not have a "Target" for the spell, like Acid Orb does. Instead it has an "Effect: One or more Rays". Well, the effect for Scorching Ray certainly does give you multiple attack rolls. But at the same time, each Ray is it's own seperate attack. I guess if you want to play 3.25 rules, you could apply this 3.0 rule to the 3.5 Scorching Ray.</p><p></p><p>Anyone have the sages email addy? I don't email him enough to have it memorized... Thx</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RigaMortus, post: 1695780, member: 1077"] Ok, I found some interesting info. In the article "All About Sneak Attacks (Part Four)". This article came out 3/9/04. I don't remember if 3.5 was out at this time, so I am not sure if the article is referrencing 3.0 rules or 3.5 rules. I have the feeling it is still referring to 3.0 rules (I'll show you why below). The article can be found here: [url]http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040309a[/url] Ok, I beleive there was a Manyshot feat in 3.0, so I don't know if they are referring to 3.0 or 3.5. It is very clearly stated (in 3.5) right in the description of Manyshot, that only the first arrow fired gets sneak attack, so I don't know why they would clarify it there. Also... It states that you make multiple attack rolls [i]as part of the same attack[/i]. As I noted in an earlier post, the casting of Scorching Ray is not an attack (not an attack action or type). It is a Standard Action. The "attack" comes in after you aim each ray and roll to hit with each Ray. For this statement to be true, you would need 1 Ray to be able to hit multipe targets (like with Split Ray). THEN I would agree, only the first ray (in the volley) gets Sneak Attack. I agree with what they are stating here, but I do not feel it applies to Scorching Ray. Here is why. First off, they are referring to 3.0 rules and books. They are referencing a spell (energy orb) and a feat (Split Ray) from [i]Tome & Blood[/i]. If I were playing 3.0, I'd have my answer. Secondly, it says [i]with spell effects that allow you to make multiple attack rolls[/i]. The strange thing is, Acid Orb (from T&B) doesn't have a spell Effect. It has a Range (which is the same exact Range as Scorching Ray) and it has "Targets: One or more creatures, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart". Scorching Ray does not have a "Target" for the spell, like Acid Orb does. Instead it has an "Effect: One or more Rays". Well, the effect for Scorching Ray certainly does give you multiple attack rolls. But at the same time, each Ray is it's own seperate attack. I guess if you want to play 3.25 rules, you could apply this 3.0 rule to the 3.5 Scorching Ray. Anyone have the sages email addy? I don't email him enough to have it memorized... Thx [/QUOTE]
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