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<blockquote data-quote="babomb" data-source="post: 1696255" data-attributes="member: 1316">The first printing of 3.5 was in July 2003.Nor is Acid Orb an attack action. It doesn't really matter if the attack comes in &quot;after&quot;. (Show me in the 3.5 rules where it says the attack comes &quot;after&quot; anything!) It doesn't matter &quot;when&quot; the attack comes. It's still &quot;an attack&quot;.Acid Orb and Split Ray are directly compatible with 3.5. I.e., they require absolutely no changes to work with 3.5.See, this is where you're being more technically precise than the designers are. When it says &quot;spell effects&quot; it doesn't mean the game term Effect (as the in a spell entry). It means the normal, non-game meaning of &quot;effect&quot;. If an NPC calls your party Fighter &quot;a powerful warrior&quot;, does the fighter correct him, &quot;I'm not a warrior; I'm a fighter&quot;? I'm guessing no. Same kind of thing. Downside of using common words as game terms.This is possibly a valid point. The description of Scorching Ray says &quot;Each ray requires a ranged touch attack...&quot;, which implies that each is a seperate attack, though I doubt that was the intention.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="babomb, post: 1696255, member: 1316"] The first printing of 3.5 was in July 2003. Nor is Acid Orb an attack action. It doesn't really matter if the attack comes in "after". (Show me in the 3.5 rules where it says the attack comes "after" anything!) It doesn't matter "when" the attack comes. It's still "an attack". Acid Orb and Split Ray are directly compatible with 3.5. I.e., they require absolutely no changes to work with 3.5. See, this is where you're being more technically precise than the designers are. When it says "spell effects" it doesn't mean the game term Effect (as the in a spell entry). It means the normal, non-game meaning of "effect". If an NPC calls your party Fighter "a powerful warrior", does the fighter correct him, "I'm not a warrior; I'm a fighter"? I'm guessing no. Same kind of thing. Downside of using common words as game terms. This is possibly a valid point. The description of Scorching Ray says "Each ray requires a ranged touch attack...", which implies that each is a seperate attack, though I doubt that was the intention. [/QUOTE]

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