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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AngryPurpleCyclops" data-source="post: 4697125" data-attributes="member: 82732">I agree, I went down the path of math with KD, I thought we could mathematically demonstrate that shield isn't that powerful. The comparisons to second chance are kind of a boondoggle since even if someone convinces him that shield is roughly equivalent to second chance it's not a level 2 utility.  I brought up shield of faith as a counter point, first because it is a level 2 utility and second because it's a damage reducer that works more effectively than shield.I assume shielded sides is from the martial powers book. Sadly it appears from everything I have seen that martial power and the PHB2 are both going to engage in power creep.  It's kind of sad that WotC with all it's money and experience in the industry can't offer us different classes/feats/powers without making the older ones obsolete.  I think it's a strategic marketing ploy to make the new books all more "attractive" by putting progressively more powerful spells in each book thus making them more important to power gamers.  It's really a shame that this is at the expense of balance.  With that in mind I would rather stick to the discussion of powers from the phb when trying to discern if shield is too powerful.</blockquote>